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>I find it amusing that from a climate change point of view, both their comments are basically negative: It's almost like countries like Germany (350k sq km ar

>I find it amusing that from a climate change point of view, both their comments are basically negative: It's almost like countries like Germany (350k sq km area) and the US (10 million sq km) have different climates and needs. This thread is filled with Europeans saying, "I went to the US once, and their grocery store didn't have produce like my French neighborhood market!"

oblio 7y ago
You're making so many assumptions in 1 short comment that it's hard to dismiss all of them without writing a novel. But still, this is HN, so let's go: - I'm not German and most of my points apply in quite a bit of the EU - the EU is about 4m sqkm, which while smaller than the US, puts them in roughly the same ballpark (they'd both qualify as "huge countries") - the EU as a whole has at least as diverse climates as the US - I'm not even sure what to respond to the "needs" part - I've been to the US more than once, to different places Let's track back a bit and find out what exactly your argument against high quality German windows is. Is it that you don't need them in hot climates? You do, to reduce the need for cooling. Is it that you don't need them in cold climates? I don't even know what to reply to this :-) Is it that you don't need them in Mediterranean climates, a la California (stable relatively warm and dry climate)? Even there, there is variation, houses do need heating and cooling and it can't hurt to have better windows. I'll grant you this, but that's probably an area which is 1/30th or less of the US territory. Or was it about normal drying vs tumble drying? The only solid argument against normal drying that I can find is that normal drying requires more space (and a bit more time, but you can easily plan around that). But US homes, on average, are way bigger than EU homes. So Americans could easily find room to dry their clothes. If I can do it in 65sqm, an American definitely can do it in 120+ sqm.
- navigatesol 7y ago
  >the EU as a whole has at least as diverse climates as the US It's laughable to talk about "the EU" as if it's in any way homogeneous. It's an economic union, not a country. We are talking about France and Germany, which are tiny and far less diverse in their climate than the US. >I'm not even sure what to respond to the "needs" part Perhaps you're unaware that there are places in the US that have frigid winters, and others that have debilitating summer heat. But please, tell us about how you don't need air conditioning in France. That fact is relevant to those in Arizona. >Let's track back a bit and find out what exactly your argument against high quality German windows is. My argument here is that it's ridiculous to think that we don't have or use "high quality windows" in North America because you once had friends over to your home that were impressed.
  - oblio 7y ago
    > My argument here is that it's ridiculous to think that we don't have or use "high quality windows" in North America because you once had friends over to your home that were impressed. I'm not the original poster :-)
  - Luc 7y ago
    > My argument here is that it's ridiculous to think that we don't have or use "high quality windows" in North America because you once had friends over to your home that were impressed. That is indeed ridiculous, I agree! You're the one inferring that story though. I'm not about to write an essay with quotations of industry figures and national polls here.
thedaemon 7y ago
You have offended Europeans, therefore you get tons of downvotes, even though it's against the rules to downvote someone because you disagree.
- wglb 7y ago
  > even though it's against the rules to downvote someone because you disagree. No, this is not true: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314
- BeetleB 7y ago
  > You have offended Europeans, therefore you get tons of downvotes From the Guidelines: > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. Also: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
  - thedaemon 7y ago
    Please follow the guidelines as follows: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

oblio 7y ago

You're making so many assumptions in 1 short comment that it's hard to dismiss all of them without writing a novel. But still, this is HN, so let's go: - I'm not German and most of my points apply in quite a bit of the EU - the EU is about 4m sqkm, which while smaller than the US, puts them in roughly the same ballpark (they'd both qualify as "huge countries") - the EU as a whole has at least as diverse climates as the US - I'm not even sure what to respond to the "needs" part - I've been to the US more than once, to different places Let's track back a bit and find out what exactly your argument against high quality German windows is. Is it that you don't need them in hot climates? You do, to reduce the need for cooling. Is it that you don't need them in cold climates? I don't even know what to reply to this :-) Is it that you don't need them in Mediterranean climates, a la California (stable relatively warm and dry climate)? Even there, there is variation, houses do need heating and cooling and it can't hurt to have better windows. I'll grant you this, but that's probably an area which is 1/30th or less of the US territory. Or was it about normal drying vs tumble drying? The only solid argument against normal drying that I can find is that normal drying requires more space (and a bit more time, but you can easily plan around that). But US homes, on average, are way bigger than EU homes. So Americans could easily find room to dry their clothes. If I can do it in 65sqm, an American definitely can do it in 120+ sqm.

navigatesol 7y ago
>the EU as a whole has at least as diverse climates as the US It's laughable to talk about "the EU" as if it's in any way homogeneous. It's an economic union, not a country. We are talking about France and Germany, which are tiny and far less diverse in their climate than the US. >I'm not even sure what to respond to the "needs" part Perhaps you're unaware that there are places in the US that have frigid winters, and others that have debilitating summer heat. But please, tell us about how you don't need air conditioning in France. That fact is relevant to those in Arizona. >Let's track back a bit and find out what exactly your argument against high quality German windows is. My argument here is that it's ridiculous to think that we don't have or use "high quality windows" in North America because you once had friends over to your home that were impressed.
- oblio 7y ago
  > My argument here is that it's ridiculous to think that we don't have or use "high quality windows" in North America because you once had friends over to your home that were impressed. I'm not the original poster :-)
- Luc 7y ago
  > My argument here is that it's ridiculous to think that we don't have or use "high quality windows" in North America because you once had friends over to your home that were impressed. That is indeed ridiculous, I agree! You're the one inferring that story though. I'm not about to write an essay with quotations of industry figures and national polls here.

thedaemon 7y ago

You have offended Europeans, therefore you get tons of downvotes, even though it's against the rules to downvote someone because you disagree.

wglb 7y ago
> even though it's against the rules to downvote someone because you disagree. No, this is not true: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314
BeetleB 7y ago
> You have offended Europeans, therefore you get tons of downvotes From the Guidelines: > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. Also: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
- thedaemon 7y ago
  Please follow the guidelines as follows: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.