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I thought the problem was that YouTube won't give you money while keeping the video online and keeping the profits. If they need to take it offline, the pervers

by narag 7y ago

I thought the problem was that YouTube won't give you money while keeping the video online and keeping the profits. If they need to take it offline, the perverse incentives disappear. It's in their best interest to take the creators' side by default so they can keep taking their part. The ownership question is better completely removed from the publisher's hands. The problem seems to be that it's actually true that people "create" using patches of someone else's works without permission. The abuse of take down requests could be just the effect of an overreaction. YouTube won't waste time checking authorship so better take down everything right away at the minimum sign of trouble. But really, can someone go against you if you have properly registered the ownership of the video? There must be some method of proof so you can prevent frivolous takedown requests without too much hassle.

pjc50 7y ago
DMCA takedown requests are supposed to be made "under penalty of perjury", but this simply isn't enforced. It is, as others have said, a power differential issue: whatever the "right" thing is, without some sort of real legal action in a court you can't force them to do it.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > DMCA takedown requests are supposed to be made "under penalty of perjury" That's true, but it's important that the key claim (of an actual violation) of a DMCA takedown only requires good faith belief, which mostly makes the only thing that is really meaningfully subject to the perjury penalty in most cases the claim of owning the copyright-protected work you claim is infringed.
username90 7y ago
> I thought the problem was that YouTube won't give you money while keeping the video online and keeping the profits. A demonetized video has no ads so there is no money for anyone when this happens.
- squiggleblaz 7y ago
  Well, Google makes sure that YouTube's autoplay resets to on for a reason. Maybe this video has no ads, but as long as you stay on their site you'll play an ad before long.
- sp332 7y ago
  If the video is flagged by ContentID as having music or video that's registered to someone else, they can still run ads over it but the revenue will go to whoever registered it. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797370?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797370?hl=en

by narag 7y ago

pjc50 7y ago

DMCA takedown requests are supposed to be made "under penalty of perjury", but this simply isn't enforced. It is, as others have said, a power differential issue: whatever the "right" thing is, without some sort of real legal action in a court you can't force them to do it.

dragonwriter 7y ago
> DMCA takedown requests are supposed to be made "under penalty of perjury" That's true, but it's important that the key claim (of an actual violation) of a DMCA takedown only requires good faith belief, which mostly makes the only thing that is really meaningfully subject to the perjury penalty in most cases the claim of owning the copyright-protected work you claim is infringed.

username90 7y ago

> I thought the problem was that YouTube won't give you money while keeping the video online and keeping the profits. A demonetized video has no ads so there is no money for anyone when this happens.

squiggleblaz 7y ago
Well, Google makes sure that YouTube's autoplay resets to on for a reason. Maybe this video has no ads, but as long as you stay on their site you'll play an ad before long.
sp332 7y ago
If the video is flagged by ContentID as having music or video that's registered to someone else, they can still run ads over it but the revenue will go to whoever registered it. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797370?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797370?hl=en