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So the hypothesis is that criminals want to kill retired cops, but they don't because they know the cops still have guns? I'm not buying that. If someone really

So the hypothesis is that criminals want to kill retired cops, but they don't because they know the cops still have guns? I'm not buying that. If someone really wants to kill you, and they know where you live, a gun in your house or in holster isn't going to stop them. You can't be constantly on alert.

Alupis 7y ago
What's the problem, really? How many retired law enforcement officers go on binge shooting sprees? Or should we oppose them having a legally purchased firearm just because?
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  >What's the problem, really? The double standard!
  - Alupis 7y ago
    Perhaps that means we should do away with the double standard... But not in the way a few might hope.
- learc83 7y ago
  I don't think there really is that huge of a problem, but the justification for these special rules seems a bit absurd. If you want to treat retired cops differently and give them special privileges, just say so. Stop positioning as something that retired cops need because of all the criminals out hunting them down.
mandelbrotwurst 7y ago
I'm saying that it seems likely that there is at least some deterrent effect, yes. I'm not sure what the magnitude of the effect is, but I can't imagine that knowing someone inside is armed has no deterrent effect against would be invaders or that being armed provides no defense advantage should they do so.
- learc83 7y ago
  We're not talking about your normal criminals who have some economic motive, we're talking about people who are already acting against their own self interest and to take revenge. Either way assuming that being armed doesn't provide a 100% effective deterrent, statistics should still help us here. Even assuming a very high deterrence rate, you would still expect to see at least a handful of revenge murders of retired cops every year if this was a significant problem at all. >provides no defense advantage should they do so This one should be very easy to determine. How many times each year do armed retired cops thwart revenge attacks? From what a quick Google search tells me both of these things basically never happen.
- jeffdavis 7y ago
  Are you saying that there's a difference in deterrent effect between a 2013 glock and a 2019 glock? If not, how are these police privileges remotely relevant to any need beyond that of a normal citizen?

Alupis 7y ago

What's the problem, really? How many retired law enforcement officers go on binge shooting sprees? Or should we oppose them having a legally purchased firearm just because?

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
>What's the problem, really? The double standard!
- Alupis 7y ago
  Perhaps that means we should do away with the double standard... But not in the way a few might hope.
learc83 7y ago
I don't think there really is that huge of a problem, but the justification for these special rules seems a bit absurd. If you want to treat retired cops differently and give them special privileges, just say so. Stop positioning as something that retired cops need because of all the criminals out hunting them down.

mandelbrotwurst 7y ago

I'm saying that it seems likely that there is at least some deterrent effect, yes. I'm not sure what the magnitude of the effect is, but I can't imagine that knowing someone inside is armed has no deterrent effect against would be invaders or that being armed provides no defense advantage should they do so.

learc83 7y ago
We're not talking about your normal criminals who have some economic motive, we're talking about people who are already acting against their own self interest and to take revenge. Either way assuming that being armed doesn't provide a 100% effective deterrent, statistics should still help us here. Even assuming a very high deterrence rate, you would still expect to see at least a handful of revenge murders of retired cops every year if this was a significant problem at all. >provides no defense advantage should they do so This one should be very easy to determine. How many times each year do armed retired cops thwart revenge attacks? From what a quick Google search tells me both of these things basically never happen.
jeffdavis 7y ago
Are you saying that there's a difference in deterrent effect between a 2013 glock and a 2019 glock? If not, how are these police privileges remotely relevant to any need beyond that of a normal citizen?