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Maybe if they are back doing non-Microsoft build work, they can soon support Mac with case-sensitive filesystems?

ripdog 7y ago
Seems somewhat unlikely to me. Now that OpenGL is gone from MacOS, the Mac is basically dead as a cross-platform gaming system. Who's going to rewrite their renderer on Metal just to target such a tiny platform? Maybe if UE or Unity do the work, games might still get Mac releases...
- tmzt 7y ago
  There are libraries like [1] that expose a Vulkan api/abi on a Metal backend. [1] https://github.com/gfx-rs/gfx https://github.com/gfx-rs/gfx
  - yincrash 7y ago
    Valve uses MoltenVK[1] on their own games. They have used it since 2018 for Dota 2[2], but I can't find a lot of uptake by others. [1] https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK [2] https://www.khronos.org/news/permalink/vulkan-support-for-dota2-on-macos-now-available https://www.khronos.org/news/permalink/vulkan-support-for-do...
  - herewulf 7y ago
    My experience from nearly 20 years of gaming on Linux: Just because a developer can support a platform, doesn't mean they will (sadly). It becomes less likely with any additional complications such as special libraries.
- baroffoos 7y ago
  MacOS was already dead for gaming since they have no hardware that can play most games. Killing OpenGL and not adding vulkan just finished it off.
- selectodude 7y ago
  Unity and Unreal did the work. Both support Metal.
  - TheChaplain 7y ago
    Both are ridiculously huge and have the money and manpower to do it. Indie game developers though, which Steam have a sizable amount of, likely do not have the same resources.
    - CraftThatBlock 7y ago
      Many indie developers do use these platforms instead of writing their own engines. From scratch is usually the exceptions
    - paavohtl 7y ago
      A large part if not the majority of indie games (both on and outside of Steam) are based on Unity.
- galad87 7y ago
  And yet there are more indie games for macOS than for Linux. Life is weird.

Seems somewhat unlikely to me. Now that OpenGL is gone from MacOS, the Mac is basically dead as a cross-platform gaming system. Who's going to rewrite their renderer on Metal just to target such a tiny platform? Maybe if UE or Unity do the work, games might still get Mac releases...

tmzt 7y ago
There are libraries like [1] that expose a Vulkan api/abi on a Metal backend. [1] https://github.com/gfx-rs/gfx https://github.com/gfx-rs/gfx
- yincrash 7y ago
  Valve uses MoltenVK[1] on their own games. They have used it since 2018 for Dota 2[2], but I can't find a lot of uptake by others. [1] https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK [2] https://www.khronos.org/news/permalink/vulkan-support-for-dota2-on-macos-now-available https://www.khronos.org/news/permalink/vulkan-support-for-do...
- herewulf 7y ago
  My experience from nearly 20 years of gaming on Linux: Just because a developer can support a platform, doesn't mean they will (sadly). It becomes less likely with any additional complications such as special libraries.
baroffoos 7y ago
MacOS was already dead for gaming since they have no hardware that can play most games. Killing OpenGL and not adding vulkan just finished it off.
selectodude 7y ago
Unity and Unreal did the work. Both support Metal.
- TheChaplain 7y ago
  Both are ridiculously huge and have the money and manpower to do it. Indie game developers though, which Steam have a sizable amount of, likely do not have the same resources.
  - CraftThatBlock 7y ago
    Many indie developers do use these platforms instead of writing their own engines. From scratch is usually the exceptions
  - paavohtl 7y ago
    A large part if not the majority of indie games (both on and outside of Steam) are based on Unity.
galad87 7y ago
And yet there are more indie games for macOS than for Linux. Life is weird.