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Again, it comes down a lot to privacy, especially in response to the growing inclusion of governments in our digital life. -Alternative to Gmail: ProtonMail (h

Again, it comes down a lot to privacy, especially in response to the growing inclusion of governments in our digital life. -Alternative to Gmail: ProtonMail (https://protonmail.com/ https://protonmail.com/) -Alternative to Google: DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=hk https://duckduckgo.com/?t=hk) -Alternative to Dropbox and GoogleDrive: Duple (https://www.duple.io/en/ https://www.duple.io/en/) -Alternative to Whatsapp: Signal (https://signal.org/ https://signal.org/)

squarefoot 7y ago
"Duple (https://www.duple.io/en/)" https://www.duple.io/en/)" 100% closed source as for now. They promised to make almost all of it open source, sadly except the most important part. Security is a chain: a 99% open source app is still 100% insecure as a 100% closed one.
- swedtrue 7y ago
  The source code is available (bottom of the beta page https://download.duple.io/en/beta.html https://download.duple.io/en/beta.html)
- bduerst 7y ago
  Duck Duck Go is also closed source and privately owned.
- tonyedgecombe 7y ago
  There is plenty of insecure open sourced software and secure closed source. I'd be surprised if there was any correlation here.
  - squiggleblaz 7y ago
    Depends on the definition of "insecure". I think we mean "the user is a victim of the owner of the product" or "the user has no choice but to overconsent to invasion from the producer". When ssh has a vulnerability, that's not a problem of me overconsenting to something OpenBSD wants to do. It's a problem where some third party has managed to fool OpenBSD into believing I want them to do something on my behalf, when I issued no such instruction. But the vulnerability that is Google Mail is that Google will read any email sent to or from a Google Mail account, even incidentally, and use it to build up a profile which paying customers can use to manipulate me into doing things which, in the absence of the profile, I wouldn't've have done. Moreover there's just massive risks from all that data.
- amedvednikov 7y ago
  Strange, it takes the home page 7 seconds to load with the progress bar, despite weighing less than 1 MB.
clickme_zsh 7y ago
Nextcloud if you can self host it.

squarefoot 7y ago

"Duple (https://www.duple.io/en/)" https://www.duple.io/en/)" 100% closed source as for now. They promised to make almost all of it open source, sadly except the most important part. Security is a chain: a 99% open source app is still 100% insecure as a 100% closed one.

swedtrue 7y ago
The source code is available (bottom of the beta page https://download.duple.io/en/beta.html https://download.duple.io/en/beta.html)
bduerst 7y ago
Duck Duck Go is also closed source and privately owned.
tonyedgecombe 7y ago
There is plenty of insecure open sourced software and secure closed source. I'd be surprised if there was any correlation here.
- squiggleblaz 7y ago
  Depends on the definition of "insecure". I think we mean "the user is a victim of the owner of the product" or "the user has no choice but to overconsent to invasion from the producer". When ssh has a vulnerability, that's not a problem of me overconsenting to something OpenBSD wants to do. It's a problem where some third party has managed to fool OpenBSD into believing I want them to do something on my behalf, when I issued no such instruction. But the vulnerability that is Google Mail is that Google will read any email sent to or from a Google Mail account, even incidentally, and use it to build up a profile which paying customers can use to manipulate me into doing things which, in the absence of the profile, I wouldn't've have done. Moreover there's just massive risks from all that data.
amedvednikov 7y ago
Strange, it takes the home page 7 seconds to load with the progress bar, despite weighing less than 1 MB.

clickme_zsh 7y ago

Nextcloud if you can self host it.