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I followed the hyperlinks to some of the discussion. In my opinion, the author’s characterisation doesn’t match the tone of the iD developer. The author might

I followed the hyperlinks to some of the discussion. In my opinion, the author’s characterisation doesn’t match the tone of the iD developer. The author might be right about the lack of community involvement, but imho he takes an overly negative an accusatory stance

kaikai 7y ago
This is a classic osm way of handling something though. They make every smallest disagreement into a giant dramatic deal that needs to be fought to the death. It’s a toxic community that drives out people unwilling to deal with the crap, and that’s a large part of why splits like this happen. No one wants to be on the tagging mailing list because it’s probably full of opinionated curmudgeons just like the rest of the osm mailing lists, and now those same curmudgeons are pissed about being left out of tagging decisions. They’re pushing people away and then complaining when their opinions are no longer centered in the conversation. Disclaimer: I used to be involved in the mapping space (including osm and Mapbox) and have moved on, despite my love of the work.
- thomersch_ 7y ago
  Sorry, I can’t agree with your characterization. Obviously nitpickers exist, but the general community can be very helpful. Some people have strange ideas and expect everyone to go along, but everything is up for discussion. Especially for people coming from cultures where confrontation or directness is frowned upon this leads to the impression that OSM is a fighting ground, but there can be no discussion without disagreement.
  - kaikai 7y ago
    No need to apologize for disagreeing! I also think the OSM community has a ton of really fantastic people, who are excited to work together to make something really neat. Unfortunately, it's not true across the board, and the tone of this article does a great job of illustrating that.

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I followed the hyperlinks to some of the discussion. In my opinion, the author’s characterisation doesn’t match the tone of the iD developer. The author might

by turboturbo 7y ago

kaikai 7y ago
This is a classic osm way of handling something though. They make every smallest disagreement into a giant dramatic deal that needs to be fought to the death. It’s a toxic community that drives out people unwilling to deal with the crap, and that’s a large part of why splits like this happen. No one wants to be on the tagging mailing list because it’s probably full of opinionated curmudgeons just like the rest of the osm mailing lists, and now those same curmudgeons are pissed about being left out of tagging decisions. They’re pushing people away and then complaining when their opinions are no longer centered in the conversation. Disclaimer: I used to be involved in the mapping space (including osm and Mapbox) and have moved on, despite my love of the work.
- thomersch_ 7y ago
  Sorry, I can’t agree with your characterization. Obviously nitpickers exist, but the general community can be very helpful. Some people have strange ideas and expect everyone to go along, but everything is up for discussion. Especially for people coming from cultures where confrontation or directness is frowned upon this leads to the impression that OSM is a fighting ground, but there can be no discussion without disagreement.
  - kaikai 7y ago
    No need to apologize for disagreeing! I also think the OSM community has a ton of really fantastic people, who are excited to work together to make something really neat. Unfortunately, it's not true across the board, and the tone of this article does a great job of illustrating that.