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That might have been then. But I haven't heard anything like that for Port of Oakland. The Bay Area ports have drug testing when you get a job and random drug t

That might have been then. But I haven't heard anything like that for Port of Oakland. The Bay Area ports have drug testing when you get a job and random drug testing when you have the job. I knew someone who worked at SFO (ports is ports) and he said if you failed a drug test you got counseling, .... But if you failed a second, it was a lifetime employment ban. This is for Port of Seattle. https://www.portseattle.org/sites/default/files/2018-03/Drug%20Testing%20Program.pdf https://www.portseattle.org/sites/default/files/2018-03/Drug... That said, I'm completely in favor of automating this. Oakland is downwind from the port and anything which cuts down on idling fumes is a good thing.

valley-green 7y ago
Nobody actually drug tests because they don’t want to lose their workers. You only get drug tested if you get hurt on the job or get caught doing drugs.
toomanybeersies 7y ago
"Random drug testing" often tends to be less than random. I know people who have worked in drug tested industries and they'd always get a heads up or be able to skip out of testing when they needed to. Use of amphetamines on the job is incredibly common, even in professional white collar industries. When there's work to get done, it gets done. Everyone knows it goes on, and you'd rather have speedy workers than workers falling asleep at the wheel. Obviously the actual solution is that you employ enough workers and ensure that they get adequate sleep. Using drugs for work is a fast and easy pathway towards addiction.
- dmix 7y ago
  Amphetamines (or basically crystal meth) is becoming super popular in China. I've heard a bunch of stories from the news and anecdotes from people living there. Something something evil capitalist drug-of-choice. But ultimately that sort of thing is more destructive than helpful. Missing valuable hours of sleep and the (well recorded) low ROI of working long hours is extremely overrated in its utility to society. Which has been a particular problem in asian work cultures where working yourself to death is cheered on. While actual output of those hours and big-picture returns of employing someone over a long period of time, where outside-of-work things like family and health really does matter, is often ignored.

valley-green 7y ago

Nobody actually drug tests because they don’t want to lose their workers. You only get drug tested if you get hurt on the job or get caught doing drugs.

toomanybeersies 7y ago

"Random drug testing" often tends to be less than random. I know people who have worked in drug tested industries and they'd always get a heads up or be able to skip out of testing when they needed to. Use of amphetamines on the job is incredibly common, even in professional white collar industries. When there's work to get done, it gets done. Everyone knows it goes on, and you'd rather have speedy workers than workers falling asleep at the wheel. Obviously the actual solution is that you employ enough workers and ensure that they get adequate sleep. Using drugs for work is a fast and easy pathway towards addiction.

dmix 7y ago
Amphetamines (or basically crystal meth) is becoming super popular in China. I've heard a bunch of stories from the news and anecdotes from people living there. Something something evil capitalist drug-of-choice. But ultimately that sort of thing is more destructive than helpful. Missing valuable hours of sleep and the (well recorded) low ROI of working long hours is extremely overrated in its utility to society. Which has been a particular problem in asian work cultures where working yourself to death is cheered on. While actual output of those hours and big-picture returns of employing someone over a long period of time, where outside-of-work things like family and health really does matter, is often ignored.