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As I have already said in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21026626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21026626 : Firefox really should take care of it's

As I have already said in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21026626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21026626 : Firefox really should take care of it's native interface, it feels like a cross-platform app, and while it does have some worthy features to consider, for me it's too non-mac (and in that aspect, it really doesn't look like an Window/Linux app either) for someone using Safari to migrate.

bhauer 7y ago
> it really doesn't look like an Window/Linux app either) I guess this is a subjective matter because to my eye, it looks fantastic on Windows, matching the Windows 10 dark theme very well. The active tab highlight looks like the open app highlights in my top-docked Windows taskbar. And the Firefox Container color-bars look great below that. Its sharp edges are a match for the sharp look of Windows. To me, Chrome is the browser that doesn't look right on Windows. Its over-use of curved lines looks anachronistic, as if it's from the 2000s.
- floatingatoll 7y ago
  On Mac it remains very apparent that most UI is constructed by Firefox rather than macOS native.
- ken 7y ago
  On the Mac, at least, it's painfully obvious that nothing matches. The look is a little off, but the behavior is way off. The scrolling doesn't work the same as native scrolling, nor do the context menus, the toolbars, the tabs, or the keyboard shortcuts. You can't do anything in Firefox without being reminded that you're using an app which is not like any other app on your Mac. It seems they've been struggling to get more Mac developers for a long time. Unfortunately, their toolchain is so foreign to Mac developers, too, that people don't want to learn it. It's a chicken-and-egg problem.
  - temac 7y ago
    This problem is easily solved on Windows by having no two programs looking the same :D (even those made by Microsoft and even those actually part of Windows)
- pedrocx486 7y ago
  The new Edge based on Chromium is full of rounded edges (heh). Microsoft has plans to make Windows' UI round (again).
  - bhauer 7y ago
    Indeed. Disappointing.
  - jug 7y ago
    Yep. Firefox doesn’t really look and play like a Fluent design app. This look worked well for Windows 8-10 but it’ll look more and more out of place as time goes on now. Would be nice to see an UI refresh for Windows using WinUI for the chrome. I was never a big fan of HTML/CSS as their chrome because this also guarantees we’ll never have a cross platform browser in a native user interface.
kodablah 7y ago
If they put some emphasis on embeddability, some of us might build these alternative interfaces for them.
- beatgammit 7y ago
  Well, they are to an extent with their work on the new Firefox Preview for Android, which is using underlying browser tech as a library instead of bundled together into a monolithic app, which improves code reuse for Focus and Firefox for Android. I don't know if this will translate at all for making separate UX on different platforms, but the optimist in me thinks it will. That being said, I like the Firefox UI on Linux, Windows, and Android, so I guess I don't understand the desire for making it "more native". My excitement for the new Firefox for Android is all about the performance improvements, not the UI design.

bhauer 7y ago

> it really doesn't look like an Window/Linux app either) I guess this is a subjective matter because to my eye, it looks fantastic on Windows, matching the Windows 10 dark theme very well. The active tab highlight looks like the open app highlights in my top-docked Windows taskbar. And the Firefox Container color-bars look great below that. Its sharp edges are a match for the sharp look of Windows. To me, Chrome is the browser that doesn't look right on Windows. Its over-use of curved lines looks anachronistic, as if it's from the 2000s.

floatingatoll 7y ago
On Mac it remains very apparent that most UI is constructed by Firefox rather than macOS native.
ken 7y ago
On the Mac, at least, it's painfully obvious that nothing matches. The look is a little off, but the behavior is way off. The scrolling doesn't work the same as native scrolling, nor do the context menus, the toolbars, the tabs, or the keyboard shortcuts. You can't do anything in Firefox without being reminded that you're using an app which is not like any other app on your Mac. It seems they've been struggling to get more Mac developers for a long time. Unfortunately, their toolchain is so foreign to Mac developers, too, that people don't want to learn it. It's a chicken-and-egg problem.
- temac 7y ago
  This problem is easily solved on Windows by having no two programs looking the same :D (even those made by Microsoft and even those actually part of Windows)
pedrocx486 7y ago
The new Edge based on Chromium is full of rounded edges (heh). Microsoft has plans to make Windows' UI round (again).
- bhauer 7y ago
  Indeed. Disappointing.
- jug 7y ago
  Yep. Firefox doesn’t really look and play like a Fluent design app. This look worked well for Windows 8-10 but it’ll look more and more out of place as time goes on now. Would be nice to see an UI refresh for Windows using WinUI for the chrome. I was never a big fan of HTML/CSS as their chrome because this also guarantees we’ll never have a cross platform browser in a native user interface.

kodablah 7y ago

If they put some emphasis on embeddability, some of us might build these alternative interfaces for them.

beatgammit 7y ago
Well, they are to an extent with their work on the new Firefox Preview for Android, which is using underlying browser tech as a library instead of bundled together into a monolithic app, which improves code reuse for Focus and Firefox for Android. I don't know if this will translate at all for making separate UX on different platforms, but the optimist in me thinks it will. That being said, I like the Firefox UI on Linux, Windows, and Android, so I guess I don't understand the desire for making it "more native". My excitement for the new Firefox for Android is all about the performance improvements, not the UI design.