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Your comments read like /r/RealTesla | TSLAQ fud. Please explain, in detail, what your specific objections are, and how you are more qualified on this subject

Your comments read like /r/RealTesla | TSLAQ fud. Please explain, in detail, what your specific objections are, and how you are more qualified on this subject matter than the presenter.

mindfulplay 7y ago
I am honestly scared even of WayMo that I think unless NHTSA gets its acts together this shit shouldn't be allowed on roads. It's often reactionary - people wait for someone to die and then suddenly you have nervous Musk in front of Congress and such crap. Why wait? Why can't these be regulated before allowing on roads? And no, failover control is not acceptable given the past incidents and deaths.
- Joky 7y ago
  You seem to use "regulated" as in "forbidden" right now, but maybe I am misreading so can you elaborate? Today thousands are dying every year on the road, are we just forbidding cars entirely? > And no, failover control is not acceptable given the past incidents and deaths. How many incidents/deaths per miles driven? How does it compare to all the other transportation systems?
  - JohnJamesRambo 7y ago
    https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1119936_tesla-fatal-crash-rate-with-autopilot-still-no-better-than-with-human-drivers https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1119936_tesla-fatal-cra... “Perhaps that’s because, as it turns out, Teslas on Autopilot could have a higher fatal accident rate than those driven entirely by humans.”
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    Why are people so committed to the idea that self-driving cars are anywhere near human standards? It just seems like a groundless assertion of faith to me. Professional drivers can go for a million miles without an accident, and I don't believe anyone's autonomous driving software can get within an order of magnitude of that without a disengagement, even in favorable conditions. You may disagree that a disengagement is equivalent to a human having an accident, but I strongly feel that it is. In either case, you have a situation where the driver reached a point where it was definitively unable to determine an appropriate next action.
    - tim333 7y ago
      I don't think most people think they are near human standards now. But there is the prospect for them being there before too long.
- chrisco255 7y ago
  The only way to train these things is on actual roads. As far as I know, all of these systems require a human driver present at this time. None are fully autonomous.
  - tim333 7y ago
    Waymo have done some very limited full autonomous https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21427036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21427036 They still have backup drivers mostly though.

Your comments read like /r/RealTesla | TSLAQ fud. Please explain, in detail, what your specific objections are, and how you are more qualified on this subject matter than the presenter.

mindfulplay 7y ago

I am honestly scared even of WayMo that I think unless NHTSA gets its acts together this shit shouldn't be allowed on roads. It's often reactionary - people wait for someone to die and then suddenly you have nervous Musk in front of Congress and such crap. Why wait? Why can't these be regulated before allowing on roads? And no, failover control is not acceptable given the past incidents and deaths.

Joky 7y ago
You seem to use "regulated" as in "forbidden" right now, but maybe I am misreading so can you elaborate? Today thousands are dying every year on the road, are we just forbidding cars entirely? > And no, failover control is not acceptable given the past incidents and deaths. How many incidents/deaths per miles driven? How does it compare to all the other transportation systems?
- JohnJamesRambo 7y ago
  https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1119936_tesla-fatal-crash-rate-with-autopilot-still-no-better-than-with-human-drivers https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1119936_tesla-fatal-cra... “Perhaps that’s because, as it turns out, Teslas on Autopilot could have a higher fatal accident rate than those driven entirely by humans.”
- perl4ever 7y ago
  Why are people so committed to the idea that self-driving cars are anywhere near human standards? It just seems like a groundless assertion of faith to me. Professional drivers can go for a million miles without an accident, and I don't believe anyone's autonomous driving software can get within an order of magnitude of that without a disengagement, even in favorable conditions. You may disagree that a disengagement is equivalent to a human having an accident, but I strongly feel that it is. In either case, you have a situation where the driver reached a point where it was definitively unable to determine an appropriate next action.
  - tim333 7y ago
    I don't think most people think they are near human standards now. But there is the prospect for them being there before too long.
chrisco255 7y ago
The only way to train these things is on actual roads. As far as I know, all of these systems require a human driver present at this time. None are fully autonomous.
- tim333 7y ago
  Waymo have done some very limited full autonomous https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21427036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21427036 They still have backup drivers mostly though.