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Meanwhile Waymo is way ahead.

grecy 7y ago
Do you belittle everyone that gets second place in the Olympics because the winner is "way ahead"? Your comment just reeks of anger and hostility. It seems like you'd rather Tesla didn't try at all, and instead we all just give up and go back to the status quo.
- Fricken 7y ago
  Meanwhile General Motors is way ahead.
- adrr 7y ago
  Elon belittles lidar saying it is doomed and will never work yet Waymo and Cruise will probably be operating self driving taxi fleets in California next year. Tesla deserves getting dumped on for those comments because they are no where near self driving.
  - xiphias2 7y ago
    Andrej Karpathy just started working on Tesla's software 2 years ago, before what Chris Lattner did was a mess (he wanted to just have 1 task that learns magically everything), Andrej had to start everything from scratch. Waymo had a 20 year advantage, but Google lost many key people there in the meantime as Larry Page didn't want to launch partial self driving. I think both approaches are great and I wouldn't want to choose between the 2, just be a happy user of the end result of the competition.
    - kayoone 7y ago
      > before what Chris Lattner did was a mess (he wanted to just have 1 task that learns magically everything), Andrej had to start everything from scratch any source for that?
      - xiphias2 7y ago
        Sorry, I can't find the source, I'm reading Elektrek all the time and often there are people in the comments section with knowledge about what happens inside Tesla.
    - jacquesm 7y ago
      > Larry Page didn't want to launch partial self driving That's the responsible thing to do.
      - heavenlyblue 7y ago
        It’s just that Google is a much larger target for negative PR response than any of the other companies.
      - xiphias2 7y ago
        If you look at self driving automation as a black box, sure. But at the same time people understand that on a highway Tesla Autopilot is safe enough to be used on a long boring road, and dricers generally feel less tired (and can focus more on the harder parts of the road).
        wstrange 7y ago
        There have been notable Tesla fatalities on "long boring roads". The software has a long way to go..
    - navigatesol 7y ago
      Ah yes,the story of Tesla: everything yesterday was crap,but everything tomorrow will be awesome.
      - xiphias2 7y ago
        Did you really follow how drivers reacted to the changes before/after Karpathy came there? People were extremely dissatisfied with the first versions of Autopilot 2 (as it was worse than Autopilot 1 when it appeared), but it improved a lot, and now it's definitely better.
        navigatesol 7y ago
        I recall everyone saying Tesla "FSD" was awesome and industry leading, I see them saying that today, and I expect they'll be telling their grandchildren the same while being driven around in a Waymo. In all seriousness, I like Karpathy and his work. Seems like a good guy. Not sure why you'd want to work to enrich a guy like Elon Musk though.
        xiphias2 7y ago
        > Not sure why you'd want to work to enrich a guy like Elon Musk though If you look at the alternative (Dieselgate), which is killing millions of people every year thanks to air pollution (sadly I'm highly affected by it, trying to not go near any polluted area is what my life is about at an age of 37), I'm happy for Elon Musk and I hope Tesla's mission will succeed as soon as it is possible.
  - deboflo 7y ago
    I live in San Francisco. Every time I see Cruise vehicles, the driver has his hands on the steering wheel.
    - adrr 7y ago
      Cruise vehicles go thousands of miles without human intervention and they have a license to run their cars without a driver like Waymo.
m0zg 7y ago
Except, well, Waymo doesn't actually build cars, and has no plans to do so.
tim333 7y ago
Waymo has a significantly different approach using lidar rather than just vision. The approaches seem to have different strengths and weaknesses. Waymo is actually able to do full autonomy but in very restricted environments - basically semi deserted suburbs. Tesla's autopilot works in real city rush hour traffic but not reliably enough to be let lose on it's own. It remains to be seen which will win or if it will be some other solution.
dsego 7y ago
But can waymo drive straight towards a concrete barrier on the highway? https://youtu.be/fKyUqZDYwrU https://youtu.be/fKyUqZDYwrU

Do you belittle everyone that gets second place in the Olympics because the winner is "way ahead"? Your comment just reeks of anger and hostility. It seems like you'd rather Tesla didn't try at all, and instead we all just give up and go back to the status quo.

Fricken 7y ago
Meanwhile General Motors is way ahead.
adrr 7y ago
Elon belittles lidar saying it is doomed and will never work yet Waymo and Cruise will probably be operating self driving taxi fleets in California next year. Tesla deserves getting dumped on for those comments because they are no where near self driving.
- xiphias2 7y ago
  Andrej Karpathy just started working on Tesla's software 2 years ago, before what Chris Lattner did was a mess (he wanted to just have 1 task that learns magically everything), Andrej had to start everything from scratch. Waymo had a 20 year advantage, but Google lost many key people there in the meantime as Larry Page didn't want to launch partial self driving. I think both approaches are great and I wouldn't want to choose between the 2, just be a happy user of the end result of the competition.
  - kayoone 7y ago
    > before what Chris Lattner did was a mess (he wanted to just have 1 task that learns magically everything), Andrej had to start everything from scratch any source for that?
    - xiphias2 7y ago
      Sorry, I can't find the source, I'm reading Elektrek all the time and often there are people in the comments section with knowledge about what happens inside Tesla.
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    > Larry Page didn't want to launch partial self driving That's the responsible thing to do.
    - heavenlyblue 7y ago
      It’s just that Google is a much larger target for negative PR response than any of the other companies.
    - xiphias2 7y ago
      If you look at self driving automation as a black box, sure. But at the same time people understand that on a highway Tesla Autopilot is safe enough to be used on a long boring road, and dricers generally feel less tired (and can focus more on the harder parts of the road).
      - wstrange 7y ago
        There have been notable Tesla fatalities on "long boring roads". The software has a long way to go..
  - navigatesol 7y ago
    Ah yes,the story of Tesla: everything yesterday was crap,but everything tomorrow will be awesome.
    - xiphias2 7y ago
      Did you really follow how drivers reacted to the changes before/after Karpathy came there? People were extremely dissatisfied with the first versions of Autopilot 2 (as it was worse than Autopilot 1 when it appeared), but it improved a lot, and now it's definitely better.
      - navigatesol 7y ago
        I recall everyone saying Tesla "FSD" was awesome and industry leading, I see them saying that today, and I expect they'll be telling their grandchildren the same while being driven around in a Waymo. In all seriousness, I like Karpathy and his work. Seems like a good guy. Not sure why you'd want to work to enrich a guy like Elon Musk though.
        xiphias2 7y ago
        > Not sure why you'd want to work to enrich a guy like Elon Musk though If you look at the alternative (Dieselgate), which is killing millions of people every year thanks to air pollution (sadly I'm highly affected by it, trying to not go near any polluted area is what my life is about at an age of 37), I'm happy for Elon Musk and I hope Tesla's mission will succeed as soon as it is possible.
- deboflo 7y ago
  I live in San Francisco. Every time I see Cruise vehicles, the driver has his hands on the steering wheel.
  - adrr 7y ago
    Cruise vehicles go thousands of miles without human intervention and they have a license to run their cars without a driver like Waymo.

m0zg 7y ago

Except, well, Waymo doesn't actually build cars, and has no plans to do so.

tim333 7y ago

Waymo has a significantly different approach using lidar rather than just vision. The approaches seem to have different strengths and weaknesses. Waymo is actually able to do full autonomy but in very restricted environments - basically semi deserted suburbs. Tesla's autopilot works in real city rush hour traffic but not reliably enough to be let lose on it's own. It remains to be seen which will win or if it will be some other solution.

dsego 7y ago

But can waymo drive straight towards a concrete barrier on the highway? https://youtu.be/fKyUqZDYwrU https://youtu.be/fKyUqZDYwrU