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Telecoms can't block calls. They are not legally allowed to do it.

by kyrra 7y ago

yellow_lead 7y ago
We can and do block calls under certain circumstances, i.e from Invalid or Unallocated ANIs.
- Spare_account 7y ago
  This doesn't appear to be universal then, because I've been told by Telcos in the UK and France that they will not block calls even when the presented number is impossible. It was made clear that any call that was made to one of my numbers would be delivered irrespective of any faulty components visible to me in the SIP header.
  - Marsymars 7y ago
    Well this is certainly jurisdiction-dependent. e.g. the CRTC has policy 2018-484, Implementation of universal network-level blocking of calls with blatantly illegitimate caller identification: https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2018/2018-484.htm https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2018/2018-484.htm CRTC gave telcos twelve months to implement, and it seems to have largely been implemented within that time frame.
kovek 7y ago
If I need a phone number (and a phone), I go to T-Mobile, sign up with my credit card and get a phone number. Whoever is giving me this phone number, I think, should be held responsible if I'm doing stupid calls. The companies issuing the ability to robo-callers to do their work are enabling robo-callers to do their work (scams). Last time I tried to trace down a call, I stopped at a company called OnVoy and got distracted with other issues...
- sillysaurusx 7y ago
  If I need a phone number (and a phone), I go to T-Mobile, sign up with my credit card and get a phone number. Whoever is giving me this phone number, I think, should be held responsible if I'm doing stupid calls. Not a good idea. I get where you’re coming from, but we don’t hold ISPs accountable for people using the internet badly. That would be a change for the worse. Imagine if Comcast had to terminate your service due to something someone posted while using your wifi.
  - xenospn 7y ago
    I think corporations should not be treated as people. No carrier should be able to block me if I’m being an asshole, but they definitely should if I’m a corporation and harassing their customers for a living.
  - dredmorbius 7y ago
    That already happens: "AT&T Threatens Persistent Pirates With Account Termination" https://torrentfreak.com/att-threatens-persistent-pirates-with-account-termination-130913/ https://torrentfreak.com/att-threatens-persistent-pirates-wi... The question isn't "can this be done?" It is: can this be done, fairly, effectively, reasonably, and with appropriate safeguards? The fundamental principle of regulation is that it applies methods and actions which can be harmful if misused. The key is to ensure they're not misused. Not to ban the concept of regulation entirely.
zamalek 7y ago
My phone can, but spoofing obviously circumvents that.
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cheez 7y ago
It's better this way. Slippery slope and all. Before you think I'm being alarmist, google drag queen storytime. Edit: if you're downvoting, look it up, there are convicted child sex offenders doing this.
- PhasmaFelis 7y ago
  Convicted child sex offenders doing what? I googled "drag queen story hour" and I have no idea how it connects to call blocking and telecoms.
  - cheez 7y ago
    Example of slippery slope.
    - PhasmaFelis 7y ago
      I'm still not following. What do you consider "drag queen storytime" a slippery slope to/from? For that matter, which end of the slope is it? Are you aware that the "slippery slope argument" is a logical fallacy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Telecoms can't block calls. They are not legally allowed to do it.

by kyrra 7y ago

Telecoms can't block calls. They are not legally allowed to do it.

yellow_lead 7y ago

We can and do block calls under certain circumstances, i.e from Invalid or Unallocated ANIs.

Spare_account 7y ago
This doesn't appear to be universal then, because I've been told by Telcos in the UK and France that they will not block calls even when the presented number is impossible. It was made clear that any call that was made to one of my numbers would be delivered irrespective of any faulty components visible to me in the SIP header.
- Marsymars 7y ago
  Well this is certainly jurisdiction-dependent. e.g. the CRTC has policy 2018-484, Implementation of universal network-level blocking of calls with blatantly illegitimate caller identification: https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2018/2018-484.htm https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2018/2018-484.htm CRTC gave telcos twelve months to implement, and it seems to have largely been implemented within that time frame.

kovek 7y ago

If I need a phone number (and a phone), I go to T-Mobile, sign up with my credit card and get a phone number. Whoever is giving me this phone number, I think, should be held responsible if I'm doing stupid calls. The companies issuing the ability to robo-callers to do their work are enabling robo-callers to do their work (scams). Last time I tried to trace down a call, I stopped at a company called OnVoy and got distracted with other issues...

sillysaurusx 7y ago
If I need a phone number (and a phone), I go to T-Mobile, sign up with my credit card and get a phone number. Whoever is giving me this phone number, I think, should be held responsible if I'm doing stupid calls. Not a good idea. I get where you’re coming from, but we don’t hold ISPs accountable for people using the internet badly. That would be a change for the worse. Imagine if Comcast had to terminate your service due to something someone posted while using your wifi.
- xenospn 7y ago
  I think corporations should not be treated as people. No carrier should be able to block me if I’m being an asshole, but they definitely should if I’m a corporation and harassing their customers for a living.
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  That already happens: "AT&T Threatens Persistent Pirates With Account Termination" https://torrentfreak.com/att-threatens-persistent-pirates-with-account-termination-130913/ https://torrentfreak.com/att-threatens-persistent-pirates-wi... The question isn't "can this be done?" It is: can this be done, fairly, effectively, reasonably, and with appropriate safeguards? The fundamental principle of regulation is that it applies methods and actions which can be harmful if misused. The key is to ensure they're not misused. Not to ban the concept of regulation entirely.

zamalek 7y ago

My phone can, but spoofing obviously circumvents that.

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cheez 7y ago

It's better this way. Slippery slope and all. Before you think I'm being alarmist, google drag queen storytime. Edit: if you're downvoting, look it up, there are convicted child sex offenders doing this.

PhasmaFelis 7y ago
Convicted child sex offenders doing what? I googled "drag queen story hour" and I have no idea how it connects to call blocking and telecoms.
- cheez 7y ago
  Example of slippery slope.
  - PhasmaFelis 7y ago
    I'm still not following. What do you consider "drag queen storytime" a slippery slope to/from? For that matter, which end of the slope is it? Are you aware that the "slippery slope argument" is a logical fallacy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope