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> Noone thinks smoking is purely healthy, but comparing vaping to cigarettes it is a no brainer safer. And if vaping were only done as a way to quit smoking ci

> Noone thinks smoking is purely healthy, but comparing vaping to cigarettes it is a no brainer safer. And if vaping were only done as a way to quit smoking cigarettes, that would be a relevant fact. When more teenagers have vaped than have smoked[1], this is clearly not the case. It is being treated as something entirely new and distinct from cigarettes, and should therefore be compared against not vaping. Yes, regulate it and make sure that it is safe. That includes taking products off the market while investigating unknown health issues. Regulate it and control the allowed marketing for it. That includes not allowing the advertising of addictive substances to minors. [1] https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/infographics/teens-e-cigarettes https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/i...

drawkbox 7y ago
Kids are already not allowed to buy. Parents should be more active. Taking it from all people 'for the children' is a tell of your and the whole movement goals. > That includes taking products off the market while investigating unknown health issues. When you shut down a market or product it does not go away. It comes back in force on the black market. Shutting down the market that is legal and had safety processes, in favor of an issue from the black market, it really is backwards thinking but I'd expect that from an authoritarian prohibitionist. You are helping the mafias/cartels of the black market and the big fish over a legal market that was working. Own it. Again, so many bots and propaganda out about this downvoting on topic points. This is just build up to the Executive Order coming from Trump based on how it plays with their base. [1][2] I wonder if moderation at HN will stop these new bot brigades or not... These are not HN users but propagandists in HN and it is slowly getting worse, it will probably kill HN into the election. The startups and small/medium businesses that run the legal market, and do have safety measures, should not be the target and banning or prohibition only helps the bigs and the mafias/cartels. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/health/trump-vaping.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/health/trump-vaping.html [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-08/senior-white-house-official-says-fda-shouldn-t-regulate-tobacco https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-08/senior-wh...
yabadabadoes 7y ago
While I agree with you on the other points, I think if trying vaping is largely displacing trying cigarettes then it's fair to compare it to smoking. If vaping were as harmful but less addictive or more addictive but not harmful, then it might fill the role more safely. If it is neither addictive nor harmful and a new generation of teenagers knows that, then vaping can't replace cigarettes any more than carrots can.

drawkbox 7y ago

Kids are already not allowed to buy. Parents should be more active. Taking it from all people 'for the children' is a tell of your and the whole movement goals. > That includes taking products off the market while investigating unknown health issues. When you shut down a market or product it does not go away. It comes back in force on the black market. Shutting down the market that is legal and had safety processes, in favor of an issue from the black market, it really is backwards thinking but I'd expect that from an authoritarian prohibitionist. You are helping the mafias/cartels of the black market and the big fish over a legal market that was working. Own it. Again, so many bots and propaganda out about this downvoting on topic points. This is just build up to the Executive Order coming from Trump based on how it plays with their base. [1][2] I wonder if moderation at HN will stop these new bot brigades or not... These are not HN users but propagandists in HN and it is slowly getting worse, it will probably kill HN into the election. The startups and small/medium businesses that run the legal market, and do have safety measures, should not be the target and banning or prohibition only helps the bigs and the mafias/cartels. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/health/trump-vaping.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/health/trump-vaping.html [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-08/senior-white-house-official-says-fda-shouldn-t-regulate-tobacco https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-08/senior-wh...

yabadabadoes 7y ago

While I agree with you on the other points, I think if trying vaping is largely displacing trying cigarettes then it's fair to compare it to smoking. If vaping were as harmful but less addictive or more addictive but not harmful, then it might fill the role more safely. If it is neither addictive nor harmful and a new generation of teenagers knows that, then vaping can't replace cigarettes any more than carrots can.