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Vaping oil is much different than vaping flower or dry though. Vaping simply means non combusted smoke which since it is under 450 degrees it reduces and remov

Vaping oil is much different than vaping flower or dry though. Vaping simply means non combusted smoke which since it is under 450 degrees it reduces and removes 20+ carcinogens. Noone thinks smoking is purely healthy, but comparing vaping to cigarettes it is a no brainer safer. Oils probably a little less safe than dry. Also, cigarette butts are next to plastics as the most environmental damage. e-cigs and vaping is mostly re-usable and there are no butts about it. 10 years and there was no issues, suddenly a bunch of them. If you ask me that is blue ocean market sabotage. The big fish are moving in. Altria bought Juul in December 2018, suddenly in 2019 all these issues and a big "think of the children" offensive that is typical in authoritarian and big fish take overs of markets or to keep something at the underground black market mafia level like drugs. Prohibition doesn't work, banning and outrage create danger, it only makes it more unsafe in production when people go to the black market when a legal market was progressing and becoming more and more safe. Dispensaries had they own safety state/independent organizations. If they truly want to make it more safe, they will decriminalize and legalize marijuana, end prohibition and make the production safer while taking out the black market competitors that caused this issue. This is America. People not thinking it is about market power and money are naive as hell. You think this is for health reasons? laughable. Same with all bans and prohibitions, makes it more unsafe and more lucrative for mafias/cartels because there is decreased supply and increased demand, price goes up, in comes the underground and more danger.

MereInterest 7y ago
> Noone thinks smoking is purely healthy, but comparing vaping to cigarettes it is a no brainer safer. And if vaping were only done as a way to quit smoking cigarettes, that would be a relevant fact. When more teenagers have vaped than have smoked[1], this is clearly not the case. It is being treated as something entirely new and distinct from cigarettes, and should therefore be compared against not vaping. Yes, regulate it and make sure that it is safe. That includes taking products off the market while investigating unknown health issues. Regulate it and control the allowed marketing for it. That includes not allowing the advertising of addictive substances to minors. [1] https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/infographics/teens-e-cigarettes https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/i...
- drawkbox 7y ago
  Kids are already not allowed to buy. Parents should be more active. Taking it from all people 'for the children' is a tell of your and the whole movement goals. > That includes taking products off the market while investigating unknown health issues. When you shut down a market or product it does not go away. It comes back in force on the black market. Shutting down the market that is legal and had safety processes, in favor of an issue from the black market, it really is backwards thinking but I'd expect that from an authoritarian prohibitionist. You are helping the mafias/cartels of the black market and the big fish over a legal market that was working. Own it. Again, so many bots and propaganda out about this downvoting on topic points. This is just build up to the Executive Order coming from Trump based on how it plays with their base. [1][2] I wonder if moderation at HN will stop these new bot brigades or not... These are not HN users but propagandists in HN and it is slowly getting worse, it will probably kill HN into the election. The startups and small/medium businesses that run the legal market, and do have safety measures, should not be the target and banning or prohibition only helps the bigs and the mafias/cartels. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/health/trump-vaping.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/health/trump-vaping.html [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-08/senior-white-house-official-says-fda-shouldn-t-regulate-tobacco https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-08/senior-wh...
- yabadabadoes 7y ago
  While I agree with you on the other points, I think if trying vaping is largely displacing trying cigarettes then it's fair to compare it to smoking. If vaping were as harmful but less addictive or more addictive but not harmful, then it might fill the role more safely. If it is neither addictive nor harmful and a new generation of teenagers knows that, then vaping can't replace cigarettes any more than carrots can.

MereInterest 7y ago

> Noone thinks smoking is purely healthy, but comparing vaping to cigarettes it is a no brainer safer. And if vaping were only done as a way to quit smoking cigarettes, that would be a relevant fact. When more teenagers have vaped than have smoked[1], this is clearly not the case. It is being treated as something entirely new and distinct from cigarettes, and should therefore be compared against not vaping. Yes, regulate it and make sure that it is safe. That includes taking products off the market while investigating unknown health issues. Regulate it and control the allowed marketing for it. That includes not allowing the advertising of addictive substances to minors. [1] https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/infographics/teens-e-cigarettes https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/i...

drawkbox 7y ago
Kids are already not allowed to buy. Parents should be more active. Taking it from all people 'for the children' is a tell of your and the whole movement goals. > That includes taking products off the market while investigating unknown health issues. When you shut down a market or product it does not go away. It comes back in force on the black market. Shutting down the market that is legal and had safety processes, in favor of an issue from the black market, it really is backwards thinking but I'd expect that from an authoritarian prohibitionist. You are helping the mafias/cartels of the black market and the big fish over a legal market that was working. Own it. Again, so many bots and propaganda out about this downvoting on topic points. This is just build up to the Executive Order coming from Trump based on how it plays with their base. [1][2] I wonder if moderation at HN will stop these new bot brigades or not... These are not HN users but propagandists in HN and it is slowly getting worse, it will probably kill HN into the election. The startups and small/medium businesses that run the legal market, and do have safety measures, should not be the target and banning or prohibition only helps the bigs and the mafias/cartels. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/health/trump-vaping.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/health/trump-vaping.html [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-08/senior-white-house-official-says-fda-shouldn-t-regulate-tobacco https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-08/senior-wh...
yabadabadoes 7y ago
While I agree with you on the other points, I think if trying vaping is largely displacing trying cigarettes then it's fair to compare it to smoking. If vaping were as harmful but less addictive or more addictive but not harmful, then it might fill the role more safely. If it is neither addictive nor harmful and a new generation of teenagers knows that, then vaping can't replace cigarettes any more than carrots can.