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The article addresses that. Apparently Estonians consider Finland's system inferior to theirs. > Estonians have praised the idea for being more egalitarian—mon

The article addresses that. Apparently Estonians consider Finland's system inferior to theirs. > Estonians have praised the idea for being more egalitarian—monetary fines are not adjusted according to income, as in neighbouring Finland, but everyone has the same number of hours in the day

jacobush 7y ago
Ok, so here is the diplomatic Swede interfering in the affairs of others: why not combine the two? Pay a progressive fine or wait by the roadside.
- kranner 7y ago
  I have a feeling that a certain class of rich person would be much more bothered by being made to wait than just paying a large fine.
  - Hamuko 7y ago
    Does that matter? There's also a certain class of rich person that would not want to pay 50,000 euros for speeding.
    - kranner 7y ago
      So BOTH a progressive fine and an imposed wait should work for everyone then.
      - jacobush 7y ago
        I like it!
  - filoeleven 7y ago
    They’re probably correlated with the highest incomes, so the result of them choosing to pay is a lot of extra revenue for the police (or whoever the fines go to). This could be seen as an advantage.
    - rapind 7y ago
      It's ridiculousness to me that fine revenue ends up in city / police coffers. Talk about a conflict of interest.
- Semiapies 7y ago
  That's literally what's described in the article.
  - mortehu 7y ago
    Are you sure? This is a quote from the article: "monetary fines are not adjusted according to income, as in neighbouring Finland"
soneil 7y ago
I'm not sure it's actually as egalitarian as it first sounds. Low-income jobs tend to be a lot less forgiving to being an hour late for work, than higher-paying jobs. Back when I worked in food service, being an hour late probably meant today was your last day. Now, I'm not sure anyone would actually notice. Higher up, if you're late, people will wait for you. If a 1-hour timeout creates a split between "so I lost my job" and "so I finished an hour later", it's still punishing the poor more.

jacobush 7y ago

Ok, so here is the diplomatic Swede interfering in the affairs of others: why not combine the two? Pay a progressive fine or wait by the roadside.

kranner 7y ago
I have a feeling that a certain class of rich person would be much more bothered by being made to wait than just paying a large fine.
- Hamuko 7y ago
  Does that matter? There's also a certain class of rich person that would not want to pay 50,000 euros for speeding.
  - kranner 7y ago
    So BOTH a progressive fine and an imposed wait should work for everyone then.
    - jacobush 7y ago
      I like it!
- filoeleven 7y ago
  They’re probably correlated with the highest incomes, so the result of them choosing to pay is a lot of extra revenue for the police (or whoever the fines go to). This could be seen as an advantage.
  - rapind 7y ago
    It's ridiculousness to me that fine revenue ends up in city / police coffers. Talk about a conflict of interest.
Semiapies 7y ago
That's literally what's described in the article.
- mortehu 7y ago
  Are you sure? This is a quote from the article: "monetary fines are not adjusted according to income, as in neighbouring Finland"

soneil 7y ago

I'm not sure it's actually as egalitarian as it first sounds. Low-income jobs tend to be a lot less forgiving to being an hour late for work, than higher-paying jobs. Back when I worked in food service, being an hour late probably meant today was your last day. Now, I'm not sure anyone would actually notice. Higher up, if you're late, people will wait for you. If a 1-hour timeout creates a split between "so I lost my job" and "so I finished an hour later", it's still punishing the poor more.