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LineageOS Android Distribution
- lol768 7y agoLineageOS was great a few years ago when I used it with my older Nexus devices, but it doesn't seem as maintained nowadays. There's no images for the newer Pixel devices and no Android 10 support, which is a huge shame. Magisk/stock is what I've been using of late.
- ikrtx 7y agoI don't think people use ROMs as much as they used to. Especially since mobiles are so fast nowadays that they don't get slow even if the ROM is bloated.
- jotm 7y agoAlso because many apps won't run on rooted phones. Funny how I can't use my bank's app but can do everything in the browser. I get the security concern in that case, tbf, but not when it's some entertainment app.
- technothrasher 7y agoRooting with Magisk usually isn't enough to trigger SafetyNet failures (which is what most apps use to detect "rooting", among other things). I've been running rooted on my OnePlus 6 since day one without any app ever complaining, including google pay. Custom ROMs will fail SafetyNet typically, but there are ways around it if you want to keep hacking.
- admax88q 7y agoFor entertainment apps it's mostly about thinking they're preventing piracy.
- zozbot234 7y agoThere's some speculation that the newer Pixel devices will be getting mainline (or close-enough-to-mainline) kernel support. So it should be relatively easy to work on a clean postmarketOS build for those, as opposed to relying on the AOSP-like LineageOS.
- opencl 7y agoLineage has never been very fast to release new Android versions. If Android 10 was out by now it would have been the fastest turnaround from AOSP release they've ever done.
- throwaway77384 7y agoI'm running LOS 17, which is Android 10 on a Sony XPeria Z3 Compact (!!) without issues (though it requires open g apps nano for GPS to work) :)
- williamvds 7y agoHad a similar issue with GPS on LineageOS 16. Setting the GPS mode to 'Device only' fixed it for me. My guess is the other settings have a hidden dependency on Google Play Services, causing GPS to silently stop working if Play services isn't available.
- wongarsu 7y agoLineageOS is great, my one complaint is that it is almost never available for the phones I own. You basically have to get phones according to their popularity in a certain subgroup: for example currently one HTC model and two LG models are supported, but close to everything from OnePlus. I know I can get unofficial builds, put apart from the sometimes quite severe missing features (calling or camera not or only partially working) I don't want to trust random people on a forum to provide a build of an OS without including malware. It just looks like a prime target for all the intelligence services of the world, and a nice target for hackers. With official builds there's at least some accountability somewhere to mitigate this.
- aynawn 7y agoThis may help https://github.com/nitrocode/phone-code-names https://github.com/nitrocode/phone-code-names
- lucideer 7y agoWhile popularity of phones plays some part, mostly this is down to the manufacturers. HTC are well-known for providing locked-down devices; even if you're looking for a near-stock experience, HTC tends not to be recommended. Samsung is similar in this regard, though they get away with it somewhat more than HTC due to demand. In short, don't complain to/about Lineage. Vote with your pocket and buy more open phones.
- _0ffh 7y ago>HTC are well-known for providing locked-down devices I've been using HTC devices for ages, and so far every one of them was dead-simple to unlock: Just go to the HTC developer page and enter your phone ID, get unlock code and enter on phone, done! Naturally HTC will from there on out decline responsibility for bricked phones, but which company doesn't?
- lucideer 7y agoIf you're talking about simply unlocking the bootloader, that's as simple on most phones. I'm more referring to the general barriers put up to doing anything with your phone, either before unlocking (the OS itself is restrictively HTC-oriented) or after unlocking (S-ON, etc.) > Naturally HTC will from there on out decline responsibility for bricked phones, but which company doesn't? The fact that this is an accepted norm is another part of the problem. Why "naturally"? Some manufacturers (like Google, Fairphone, Motorola on a limited number of phones) don't void the warranty, but even if none did: why do you think this "naturally" an acceptable thing other than it being the norm? If you don't damage the hardware by flashing, there's no reason it should be out of warranty. If you do "damage" it because of some malicious hardware fuse installed by the manufacturer, then it seems to me that could reasonably be considered a faulty device.
- Jemm 7y agoBeen using lineageOS 16 on my OnePlus phone for years. LineageOS has allowed me to use my perfectly fine phone much much longer than the normal upgrade cycle. And this has saved me money. More importantly my phone remains in use rather than being thrown away and a new one purchased saving about 4 phones from landfill (my guess based on a 2 year upgrade cycle). Apple with all their environmental goodness claims locks their phones down from both custom rooms and from re-use after donation. Most donated phones have an iCloud lock with no way to contact the previous owner to request an unlock,
- zozbot234 7y ago> LineageOS has allowed me to use my perfectly fine phone much much longer than the normal upgrade cycle. And this has saved me money. OnePlus actually does a pretty fine job of supporting even their "older" models. The OP3 and OP3T were running up-to-date "stock" OS's not too long ago.
- OJFord 7y agoThe third OnePlus model is an old one now? I remember the first one coming out (and haven't kept track of how many there have been) but I honestly don't think I do anything that needs more than what the first one would give me. (I actually have a Motorola One, which is on the 'Android One' mostly-stock long-term upgrade committment, and was about £150 new 18mo ago? £100 phone or less would be plenty powerful enpugh, I just paid a bit more to know I'd get the upgrades, and thought the fingerprint reader might be useful. (It is.))
- wazoox 7y agoI still have my OnePlus One as a spare phone. I can confirm the only missing feature is a fingerprint reader. Photo and video quality are fine, power is more than necessary, battery lasts long enough...
- anotherevan 7y agoI'm still using my OnePlus One as my phone. A fingerprint reader is really the only thing that tempts me to move.
- jumbopapa 7y agoI currently use a Galaxy S8+ and it still works perfectly fine. However, it isn't compatible with LineageOS. I know that the next phone I purchase LineageOS compatibility will be a prerequisite.
- bonsai80 7y agoI remember a ROM distribution similar to this, where the maintainer/company also sold used phones with it preinstalled. I thought it was LineageOS, but looking at the LineageOS site I'm definitely remembering that wrong. Does anyone know the name for what I'm describing?
- BitRain 7y agoyou're thinking of CyanogenMod, LineageOS was born out of Cyanogen running out of money and the maintainers dropping it.
- Youden 7y agoYou're likely thinking of Cyanogen OS (distinct from CyanogenMod) and the OnePlus One, which shipped with it.
- callahad 7y agoYou may also be thinking of CopperheadOS (https://copperhead.co/ https://copperhead.co/).
- datalist 7y agoI have used CyanogenMod, and later LineageOS, for quite some time and was pretty pleased with it. The problem is it seems to be past its prime. It dropped support for mainstream phones more and more and is currenly limited to either very old handsets or rather exotic manufacturers. The most recent Samsung S series they support is from 2014, almost six years ago. CM and LOS were also popular on the Nexus 4 and 5, these were completely dropped as well and even the successors do not have a recent Android version at this point. All of this coupled with long delays of moving to the most recent Android version. Many phone were still on Nougat LOS, when there was already Pie.
- xrisk 7y agoI think that's just because stock ROMS have become good enough that we don't need custom ROMS; except for purposes like de-Googling your phone or removing stuff installed by your OEM.
- aynawn 7y agoCustom supported roms will continue to get security updates whereas oem roms get updates for maximum 3 years since phone release. From a security perspective, custom roms are still worth it.
- izacus 7y agoExcept that a huge chunk of Android CVEs I've seen are related to vendor code which does not get updated in custom ROMs either. And those are the painful ones, since drivers have kernel access. The security situation on Android is really less than ideal :/
- aaron_m04 7y agoThat's concerning if true. Do you have a source?
- sozy777 7y agoI'm using because I don't want to give location permission to apps. At least not my real location. I want to have the ability to spoof any detail of my phone.
- giomasce 7y agoLineageOS is very nice, also because it gives you the same experience of different devices. You know that it will be easy to have root, you know you won't have to learn again where every menu is, you don't expect too many surprises. I had a Fairphone 2 before and I used LineageOS on it. Then I decided to change it, got a second hand OnePlus 5, installed again LineageOS and it's just the same thing, except the phone is faster and doesn't have a few hardware bugs. I actually choose the OnePlus also because all OnePlus models seem to be well supported by LineageOS, which is probably related to the fact the OnePlus releases quite a lot of things as open source[1] (another good reason for the choice). On top of that, it seems to have a good quality/price ratio. I am quite happy of the choice. [1] https://github.com/OnePlusOSS https://github.com/OnePlusOSS
- aesh2Xa1 7y agoA significant aspect of the Lineage OS support on OnePlus devices is the vendor support for development.
- bagswatchesus 7y agoEventually I dropped it one too many times flat on its face. I should have just figured out how to fix the screen https://www.handbagsai.com/valentino/replica-valentino-bags.html https://www.handbagsai.com/valentino/replica-valentino-bags....
- xwvvvvwx 7y agoiPhone user here. Increasingly curious about Android. If I installed LineageOS on a pixel3a, how much information would be going to google by default? How easy is it to avoid google altogether?
- wazoox 7y agoVery easy; the default is to have zero google proprietary stuff. In fact, you have to jump through some hoops to get Google play store, Maps etc installed, and it's getting harder and harder as Google locks its services down. Simply set up your default search engine to DDG or whatever you want and your LineageOS phone will send exactly nil to Google.
- jumbopapa 7y agoMy understanding is that completely de-googling the phone is somewhat hard because of Google Play Services being a prerequisite for many services. I understand that you can get by without it, but many people find that somewhat of a burden.
- wazoox 7y agoThe main missing part is a good maps/Waze equivalent. I don't need anything else that's not available on F-Droid. Now I'm a GNU/Linux user of strict observance (depends only on Free Software!), so I probably don't have the same requirements as most.
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- paulcarroty 7y agoSamsung S5 and... nothing newest? Also from my past experience: LineageOS don't care about privacy, Google DNS & internet connectivity checks points to Google servers; probably the telemetry works too. About quality: very different results, highly depends from device. In mostly cases - camera apps quality is horrible 'cause vendors doesn't provide any code.
- tslocum 7y agoLineageOS is also now including a proprietary blob from Qualcomm as a location provider. https://gitlab.com/LineageOS/issues/android/issues/1270 https://gitlab.com/LineageOS/issues/android/issues/1270
- _bxg1 7y agoAt some point Samsung started locking down their bootloaders I think. Device support is based on whether/how many people volunteer to own that branch, so it's based on general demand. Last I checked OnePlus made the best Lineage devices, although with all the recent China stuff you can decide whether you're comfortable with having even firmware from a Chinese company. I don't know about the DNS, but Gapps don't come preinstalled, so I'd be surprised if it sent telemetry to Google by default. Either way, I'm sure it's possible to disable/redirect those things. As for privacy in general, they offer a pretty unique feature that allows you to forcibly block granular app permissions after the fact, after granting them for the install. Because this isn't iOS it'll break some apps that don't handle it gracefully, but it's nice to have the option. But yes, if you're trying to run Android in a privacy-minded way at all, you'll be making some sacrifices.
- dejawu 7y agoI adore LineageOS and official support has now become my #1 factor in choosing a new phone. I've been running it on my Oneplus 5T which was already two generations behind when I bought it and there hasn't been a single day in over a year of ownership when I thought it wasn't fast or responsive enough. It's incredibly stable, there's no bloatware, and I get updates every night, which means I'm always on the latest security version. If this thing ever breaks or dies I'll probably get a Zenfone 6 (I recall Asus actually openly distributed kernel sources with the express purpose of helping out the open source ROM community) and I'm excited to see how LineageOS runs on that.
- bythckr 7y agoI just wish that LineageOS just picks couple of devices that they can support. So, me as a "not highly technical" user can just buy that specific device. The current at https://download.lineageos.org/ https://download.lineageos.org/ where they list every device is confusing and hard to track which is the phone most are working on. Pick one and work on it. With enough people using it, hardware makers will have a strong case to sell device that is "Lineage OS compliant" even if it's shipped with Android. Like how GrapheneOS has focused on Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL.
- as1mov 7y agoOh for the love of god please no. Please don't narrow down the focus on 1 or 2 high end devices and neglect the rest just because a small percentage of people can't be arsed to read the documentation. LineageOS is an hacker/enthusiast thing, it will always remain niche regardless of how easy to use you make it.
- gnufx 7y agoAlso check out /e/ for other device support and better privacy. The device list is at https://doc.e.foundation/devices/ https://doc.e.foundation/devices/