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No WebP? Safari is about to become out of date, and websites will stop working for it. I'm using WebP on my websites with no fallback to jpeg/png at the end of

No WebP? Safari is about to become out of date, and websites will stop working for it. I'm using WebP on my websites with no fallback to jpeg/png at the end of the year.

mtgx 7y ago
At this point I'd be more concerned if they have no plans to support AV1 and AVIF. It would be nice if Apple played ball more with the open ecosystems instead of constantly being a thorn in everyone's sides and such a contrarian in everything.
Carpetsmoker 7y ago
Imagine being software developer with a sense of professionalism and dealing with your customers as they are, even if it's annoying a tad bit of extra work, instead of telling them to sod off if they're using a browser you don't like.
- mrmonkeyman 7y ago
  Imagine being an actual engineer and caring about correctness and stupid, oldskool stuff like that.
- wilsonrocks 7y ago
  While I Personaly wouldn't drop JPEG support yet... Do non-web software developers support every CPU architecture? Because I'm sure I've heard of apps that not run on macs, or just windows and not Raspberry Pis.
  - chipotle_coyote 7y ago
    You're trying to draw a comparison between app developers supporting multiple CPU architectures for their applications, and web developers continuing to use JPEG and PNG files for their web sites. I honestly just don't see how this comparison works.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
    Itanium failed, in part because it broke compatibility. AMD succeeded with x86_64 precisely because they realized that supporting the programs people actually used was vital.
  - robin_reala 7y ago
    If 25-50% of your users used RasberryPis to run you app you’d support it properly.
  - Carpetsmoker 7y ago
    Adding support for a CPU architecture is often a considerable amount of work, and the pay-off is often small, although this of course depends on what kind of software you have. For typical applications for end-users the cost/benefit ratio for supporting anything other than x86 is typically very low. For other types of applications like servers it's higher, so they often do support arm, s390, ppc, etc. Supporting jpeg however is very low cost, with very high benefit: about 20% of browsers don't support webp. It's a small nuisance, not a substantial amount of continued investment of work like supporting a new architecture.
- Nullabillity 7y ago
  Personally the problem is not that I don't like it, but that I have no way to test against it. No, I'm not buying their overpriced crap just to see what they've broken for their users. Even MS has had modern.ie[0] for years. Until then, Safari users are on their own[1]. [0]: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/v... [1]: https://drewdevault.com/2017/10/26/Fuck-you-nvidia.html https://drewdevault.com/2017/10/26/Fuck-you-nvidia.html
  - Carpetsmoker 7y ago
    Yeah, I agree with that. But it's one thing to say "sorry, I had no way to test against your browser", but quite another to say "I am going to intentionally break this browser because it's too 'old' by my standards". You can apply for a free BrowserStack accounts for open source projects btw[1]; it's still a bit of a pain, but better than nothing. [1]: https://www.browserstack.com/open-source https://www.browserstack.com/open-source
    - rehemiau 7y ago
      Testing iOS Safari is painful on Browserstack, Appium adds significant latency which makes the tests slow, they use old Appium versions which can be buggy, and there are limitations due to poor WebDriver support from Apple like not being allowed to switch context to iframes from external domains...
- izacus 7y ago
  > Imagine being software developer with a sense of professionalism and dealing with your customers as they are, even if it's annoying a tad bit of extra work, instead of telling them to sod off if they're using a browser you don't like. Now imagine a platform where users are allowed to use a better browser which supports more image formats and saves their battery and bandwidth instead of being locked into a single closed piece of software for ever and ever. And imagine a world where owners of that platform would understand something as historical as importance of free market competition and huge damage of DRM locked plaforms.
chipotle_coyote 7y ago
Okay, you've named one web site that will stop working for it at the end of the year, because of a choice you're explicitly making.

No WebP? Safari is about to become out of date, and websites will stop working for it. I'm using WebP on my websites with no fallback to jpeg/png at the end of the year.

mtgx 7y ago

At this point I'd be more concerned if they have no plans to support AV1 and AVIF. It would be nice if Apple played ball more with the open ecosystems instead of constantly being a thorn in everyone's sides and such a contrarian in everything.

Carpetsmoker 7y ago

Imagine being software developer with a sense of professionalism and dealing with your customers as they are, even if it's annoying a tad bit of extra work, instead of telling them to sod off if they're using a browser you don't like.

mrmonkeyman 7y ago
Imagine being an actual engineer and caring about correctness and stupid, oldskool stuff like that.
wilsonrocks 7y ago
While I Personaly wouldn't drop JPEG support yet... Do non-web software developers support every CPU architecture? Because I'm sure I've heard of apps that not run on macs, or just windows and not Raspberry Pis.
- chipotle_coyote 7y ago
  You're trying to draw a comparison between app developers supporting multiple CPU architectures for their applications, and web developers continuing to use JPEG and PNG files for their web sites. I honestly just don't see how this comparison works.
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
  Itanium failed, in part because it broke compatibility. AMD succeeded with x86_64 precisely because they realized that supporting the programs people actually used was vital.
- robin_reala 7y ago
  If 25-50% of your users used RasberryPis to run you app you’d support it properly.
- Carpetsmoker 7y ago
  Adding support for a CPU architecture is often a considerable amount of work, and the pay-off is often small, although this of course depends on what kind of software you have. For typical applications for end-users the cost/benefit ratio for supporting anything other than x86 is typically very low. For other types of applications like servers it's higher, so they often do support arm, s390, ppc, etc. Supporting jpeg however is very low cost, with very high benefit: about 20% of browsers don't support webp. It's a small nuisance, not a substantial amount of continued investment of work like supporting a new architecture.
Nullabillity 7y ago
Personally the problem is not that I don't like it, but that I have no way to test against it. No, I'm not buying their overpriced crap just to see what they've broken for their users. Even MS has had modern.ie[0] for years. Until then, Safari users are on their own[1]. [0]: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/v... [1]: https://drewdevault.com/2017/10/26/Fuck-you-nvidia.html https://drewdevault.com/2017/10/26/Fuck-you-nvidia.html
- Carpetsmoker 7y ago
  Yeah, I agree with that. But it's one thing to say "sorry, I had no way to test against your browser", but quite another to say "I am going to intentionally break this browser because it's too 'old' by my standards". You can apply for a free BrowserStack accounts for open source projects btw[1]; it's still a bit of a pain, but better than nothing. [1]: https://www.browserstack.com/open-source https://www.browserstack.com/open-source
  - rehemiau 7y ago
    Testing iOS Safari is painful on Browserstack, Appium adds significant latency which makes the tests slow, they use old Appium versions which can be buggy, and there are limitations due to poor WebDriver support from Apple like not being allowed to switch context to iframes from external domains...
izacus 7y ago
> Imagine being software developer with a sense of professionalism and dealing with your customers as they are, even if it's annoying a tad bit of extra work, instead of telling them to sod off if they're using a browser you don't like. Now imagine a platform where users are allowed to use a better browser which supports more image formats and saves their battery and bandwidth instead of being locked into a single closed piece of software for ever and ever. And imagine a world where owners of that platform would understand something as historical as importance of free market competition and huge damage of DRM locked plaforms.

chipotle_coyote 7y ago

Okay, you've named one web site that will stop working for it at the end of the year, because of a choice you're explicitly making.