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MS has always been super developer friendly as far as I can remember. The difference was in the past you had to buy into their ecosystem and way of thinking. On

by chewxy 7y ago

MS has always been super developer friendly as far as I can remember. The difference was in the past you had to buy into their ecosystem and way of thinking. Once that was done, VS was by far the most superior experience. Now MS embraces a greater variety of developers, not just those who bought in. Anyone remember DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS...? EDIT: found a clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs

starpilot 7y ago
How times have changed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5164635 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5164635 > Why should I invest in the Microsoft stack? I'm done. Microsoft is no longer a platform I will work on and I will recommend open source products and frameworks from now on. > The Windows tech hegemony is a graveyard. XNA. Silverlight. WPF. DirectX. Managed C++. C++/CLI. Managed DirectX.
- m_mueller 7y ago
  What changed I guess is that they switched to embrace Linux full on. And now extending it as well. I trust that Linux is safe from extinguishing though - too much of the world runs on it, and free servers are just too compelling.
  - leereeves 7y ago
    Not extinguishing perhaps, but appropriating and building upon Linux for their own benefit without giving much back is certainly possible. Google's already done it with Android.
    - Tossrock 7y ago
      Quite a lot of Google-developed code goes back into the Linux kernel. Look at cgroups - the entire containerization revolution sprung from code Google gave back to Linux.
      - leereeves 7y ago
        Did that come out of Android? Google uses Linux itself as a desktop OS too. Android hasn't led to anything like a mobile Linux. Google took Linux, built Android on top of it, and now owns the mobile space. Apple did something similar using FreeBSD inside OS X. Microsoft could use Linux in the same way.
  - tonyedgecombe 7y ago
    What changed is Azure and you can be sure they will do what they can to keep you locked into that ecosystem.
    - mooreds 7y ago
      ... like all the other cloud providers. I don't play too much in the MS ecosystem but from what I read they seem to have moved away from the embrace, extend, extinguish methodology. Which is a good thing.
- ridiculous_fish 7y ago
  What would Microsoft like you to build? What is a modern Windows app in 2019? They seem to be retreating from even UWP.
shaan7 7y ago
Even better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gI_HGDgG7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gI_HGDgG7c
m_mueller 7y ago
Personally I never found the heavy IDE approach compelling and I'd much rather just build up a Makefile than rely on what VS and co are offering. MacOS used to be better in that case because you had native POSIX on top of a machine with excellent driver support and good ergonomics. But now the winds really have turned. MacBooks turned to crap, Windows laptops improved and we have WSL with perfect VS code integration. I recommend anyone to try WSL, install VS code, install its remote extension and then go to a git repo in bash and type "code ." It's magic...

by chewxy 7y ago

starpilot 7y ago

How times have changed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5164635 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5164635 > Why should I invest in the Microsoft stack? I'm done. Microsoft is no longer a platform I will work on and I will recommend open source products and frameworks from now on. > The Windows tech hegemony is a graveyard. XNA. Silverlight. WPF. DirectX. Managed C++. C++/CLI. Managed DirectX.

m_mueller 7y ago
What changed I guess is that they switched to embrace Linux full on. And now extending it as well. I trust that Linux is safe from extinguishing though - too much of the world runs on it, and free servers are just too compelling.
- leereeves 7y ago
  Not extinguishing perhaps, but appropriating and building upon Linux for their own benefit without giving much back is certainly possible. Google's already done it with Android.
  - Tossrock 7y ago
    Quite a lot of Google-developed code goes back into the Linux kernel. Look at cgroups - the entire containerization revolution sprung from code Google gave back to Linux.
    - leereeves 7y ago
      Did that come out of Android? Google uses Linux itself as a desktop OS too. Android hasn't led to anything like a mobile Linux. Google took Linux, built Android on top of it, and now owns the mobile space. Apple did something similar using FreeBSD inside OS X. Microsoft could use Linux in the same way.
- tonyedgecombe 7y ago
  What changed is Azure and you can be sure they will do what they can to keep you locked into that ecosystem.
  - mooreds 7y ago
    ... like all the other cloud providers. I don't play too much in the MS ecosystem but from what I read they seem to have moved away from the embrace, extend, extinguish methodology. Which is a good thing.
ridiculous_fish 7y ago
What would Microsoft like you to build? What is a modern Windows app in 2019? They seem to be retreating from even UWP.

shaan7 7y ago

Even better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gI_HGDgG7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gI_HGDgG7c

m_mueller 7y ago

Personally I never found the heavy IDE approach compelling and I'd much rather just build up a Makefile than rely on what VS and co are offering. MacOS used to be better in that case because you had native POSIX on top of a machine with excellent driver support and good ergonomics. But now the winds really have turned. MacBooks turned to crap, Windows laptops improved and we have WSL with perfect VS code integration. I recommend anyone to try WSL, install VS code, install its remote extension and then go to a git repo in bash and type "code ." It's magic...