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It is not threatening at all, unless you consider the existence of people who hold different political views threatening. In which you case you are the one who

It is not threatening at all, unless you consider the existence of people who hold different political views threatening. In which you case you are the one who should not be out in public not everybody else.

jonbronson 7y ago
It's a bit disingenuous to suggest that devaluing women, minorities, and foreigners is merely a difference in political views. It's an outright abandonment of human decency that is central to the professional ethics of western society and more.
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- manigandham 7y ago
  That's not a mainstream political view for anyone today.
- interfixus 7y ago
  Western society? I wonder which venues such implicit denigration of non-eurocentric culture could get you banned from.
ElijahLynn 7y ago
It IS threatening to ME. That is my feeling. You can't take that feeling away from anyone. It isn't a different political view. It is human decency. Wearing that hat endorses every hateful thing Trump has ever said. It is a scorn on the human race.
- zarkov99 7y ago
  Then perhaps you should not go. I am not threatened, nor do I think any one else is really threatened at all, in any reasonable sense anyway. Why should your discomfort trump mine and the MAGA hat wearers desire to interact in this venue?
  - jonbronson 7y ago
    That right there is precisely why the organizers had to take action. They want to cultivate a conference where diverse attendees don't feel like they have to make a choice between participating in an important professional and staying away from hostile actors. It ruins the atmosphere of the event.
    - lliamander 7y ago
      "hostile actors" Seriously? What exactly are these actors going to do?
      - PantsyMcPants 7y ago
        A MAGA hat is not dissimilar to a nazi symbol, albeit to a much lesser degree. You wouldn’t want Nazis around even if you knew they weren’t gonna do anything. Just having people around that devalue other human beings as lesser than them is enough.
        lliamander 7y ago
        Your stunning lack of intellectual charity aside, other people's discomfort is not an unlimited license to disrupt a individual's ability to conduct their business and participate in society. I am no lawyer, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Wood (and Mr. Somnez, for that matter) has a case for something like tortuous interference. As it happens, Charles Wood is by all accounts a very decent person, whereas the folks who complained to the Linux Foundation have a public history of abusive and bigoted behavior. That you would think so little of his character, while saying nothing of his interlocutors, is pretty ridiculous.
        PantsyMcPants 7y ago
        I didn’t say anything about his character. I don’t know anything about his interlocutors. Both of those things are kind of irrelevant to my post which is about the hat.
- lliamander 7y ago
  Perhaps if you got to know the people you fear and disparage better, you might not feel so threatened?
- LocalH 7y ago
  Your worldview is threatening to me and every other freedom-loving individual. That is my feeling. For the record, I think modern politics is total garbage. Republican, Democrat, it's all the same coin. I believe in equality, not equity, and I believe in equal rights. This mindset that some people are more deserving of rights than others based on how marginalized they are, should be antithetical to modern progressive thought, instead it's become infected by it.
  - johnny22 7y ago
    that's a misleading defintion of "progressive thought". If you're gonna disagree with it, at least disagree with what people are actually saying. It's more defined by rectifying historical injustices rather than giving more rights to some over others.
    - LocalH 7y ago
      I'm not saying that's what "progressive thought" is. I'm saying that it's become infected by this mindset, making today's progressive movement share a lot in behavior with fascists and with people like Joseph McCarthy. "Rectifying historical injustices" is by itself a meaningless phrase, as there are many ways to do this, some of which unduly affect others, and some of which don't.
      - PantsyMcPants 7y ago
        It’s only a meaningless phrase if you’re motivated to interpret it in ways that are unhelpful. In that sense every phrase is a meaningless phrase until you get some details added to it.
    - manigandham 7y ago
      "rectifying historical injustices" This is a problem. History happened. Those people are long gone. We should focus on being fair and creating equal opportunity for people today, not discriminating because of some random sample of events at a time and place way beyond anyone currently living.

jonbronson 7y ago

It's a bit disingenuous to suggest that devaluing women, minorities, and foreigners is merely a difference in political views. It's an outright abandonment of human decency that is central to the professional ethics of western society and more.

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manigandham 7y ago
That's not a mainstream political view for anyone today.
interfixus 7y ago
Western society? I wonder which venues such implicit denigration of non-eurocentric culture could get you banned from.

ElijahLynn 7y ago

It IS threatening to ME. That is my feeling. You can't take that feeling away from anyone. It isn't a different political view. It is human decency. Wearing that hat endorses every hateful thing Trump has ever said. It is a scorn on the human race.

zarkov99 7y ago
Then perhaps you should not go. I am not threatened, nor do I think any one else is really threatened at all, in any reasonable sense anyway. Why should your discomfort trump mine and the MAGA hat wearers desire to interact in this venue?
- jonbronson 7y ago
  That right there is precisely why the organizers had to take action. They want to cultivate a conference where diverse attendees don't feel like they have to make a choice between participating in an important professional and staying away from hostile actors. It ruins the atmosphere of the event.
  - lliamander 7y ago
    "hostile actors" Seriously? What exactly are these actors going to do?
    - PantsyMcPants 7y ago
      A MAGA hat is not dissimilar to a nazi symbol, albeit to a much lesser degree. You wouldn’t want Nazis around even if you knew they weren’t gonna do anything. Just having people around that devalue other human beings as lesser than them is enough.
      - lliamander 7y ago
        Your stunning lack of intellectual charity aside, other people's discomfort is not an unlimited license to disrupt a individual's ability to conduct their business and participate in society. I am no lawyer, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Wood (and Mr. Somnez, for that matter) has a case for something like tortuous interference. As it happens, Charles Wood is by all accounts a very decent person, whereas the folks who complained to the Linux Foundation have a public history of abusive and bigoted behavior. That you would think so little of his character, while saying nothing of his interlocutors, is pretty ridiculous.
        PantsyMcPants 7y ago
        I didn’t say anything about his character. I don’t know anything about his interlocutors. Both of those things are kind of irrelevant to my post which is about the hat.
lliamander 7y ago
Perhaps if you got to know the people you fear and disparage better, you might not feel so threatened?
LocalH 7y ago
Your worldview is threatening to me and every other freedom-loving individual. That is my feeling. For the record, I think modern politics is total garbage. Republican, Democrat, it's all the same coin. I believe in equality, not equity, and I believe in equal rights. This mindset that some people are more deserving of rights than others based on how marginalized they are, should be antithetical to modern progressive thought, instead it's become infected by it.
- johnny22 7y ago
  that's a misleading defintion of "progressive thought". If you're gonna disagree with it, at least disagree with what people are actually saying. It's more defined by rectifying historical injustices rather than giving more rights to some over others.
  - LocalH 7y ago
    I'm not saying that's what "progressive thought" is. I'm saying that it's become infected by this mindset, making today's progressive movement share a lot in behavior with fascists and with people like Joseph McCarthy. "Rectifying historical injustices" is by itself a meaningless phrase, as there are many ways to do this, some of which unduly affect others, and some of which don't.
    - PantsyMcPants 7y ago
      It’s only a meaningless phrase if you’re motivated to interpret it in ways that are unhelpful. In that sense every phrase is a meaningless phrase until you get some details added to it.
  - manigandham 7y ago
    "rectifying historical injustices" This is a problem. History happened. Those people are long gone. We should focus on being fair and creating equal opportunity for people today, not discriminating because of some random sample of events at a time and place way beyond anyone currently living.