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Really great performance, buttery-smooth. Excellent job! Looking at the 6502, I've got to wonder if today's most powerful Place 'n Route tools could make any s

Really great performance, buttery-smooth. Excellent job! Looking at the 6502, I've got to wonder if today's most powerful Place 'n Route tools could make any significant improvement to it.

ngcc_hk 7y ago
Terminator 1 has it.
- yodon 7y ago
  I'm not sure if why you're being voted down. I still remember sitting in the theater realizing that was 6502 assembler scrolling across the screen.
bunnie 7y ago
Doubtful - the 6502 had something like one poly and one metal routing layer. It was hand routed by a human; balancing the use of poly, metal and diffusion is pretty tricky and requires bending a few rules that would otherwise constrain an autorouter in order to get everything to fit.
- fpgaminer 7y ago
  > It was hand routed by a human And let's be clear, it was hand routed in both senses of the word. The layout engineers cut the mask by hand, crawling around on the table sized photomask.
sp332 7y ago
Going the other way: https://c74project.com/ https://c74project.com/ or even https://monster6502.com/ https://monster6502.com/ Edit: Western Design Center manufactures a pin-compatible DIP-packaged 6502. https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Western-Design-Center-WDC/W65C02S6TPG-14/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvu0Nwh4cA1wSNu7hWmGrIdvYIw7nZ2DMI= https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Western-Design-Center-W... I couldn't find any pictures or info about what's inside though.
- rosybox 7y ago
  I love this.
- deelowe 7y ago
  I wish they'd release the monster6502 as a kit or at least release the brd files so others can make/improve on it.
  - duskwuff 7y ago
    With 4,769 surface-mount components and somewhere on the order of 16,000 solder joints, it's well outside the realm of what you can assemble at home.
    - monocasa 7y ago
      IDK, it's meticulous work I'll give it that, but more impressive computers have been built component by component. Just take your time, test each piece as you go, and don't develop an ego and you'll be fine.
    - deelowe 7y ago
      Some of us have reflow ovens, stencils, and past. It's not that hard with SMD. Through hole is where it gets time cosuming.

Really great performance, buttery-smooth. Excellent job! Looking at the 6502, I've got to wonder if today's most powerful Place 'n Route tools could make any significant improvement to it.

ngcc_hk 7y ago

Terminator 1 has it.

yodon 7y ago
I'm not sure if why you're being voted down. I still remember sitting in the theater realizing that was 6502 assembler scrolling across the screen.

bunnie 7y ago

Doubtful - the 6502 had something like one poly and one metal routing layer. It was hand routed by a human; balancing the use of poly, metal and diffusion is pretty tricky and requires bending a few rules that would otherwise constrain an autorouter in order to get everything to fit.

fpgaminer 7y ago
> It was hand routed by a human And let's be clear, it was hand routed in both senses of the word. The layout engineers cut the mask by hand, crawling around on the table sized photomask.

sp332 7y ago

Going the other way: https://c74project.com/ https://c74project.com/ or even https://monster6502.com/ https://monster6502.com/ Edit: Western Design Center manufactures a pin-compatible DIP-packaged 6502. https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Western-Design-Center-WDC/W65C02S6TPG-14/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvu0Nwh4cA1wSNu7hWmGrIdvYIw7nZ2DMI= https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Western-Design-Center-W... I couldn't find any pictures or info about what's inside though.

rosybox 7y ago
I love this.
deelowe 7y ago
I wish they'd release the monster6502 as a kit or at least release the brd files so others can make/improve on it.
- duskwuff 7y ago
  With 4,769 surface-mount components and somewhere on the order of 16,000 solder joints, it's well outside the realm of what you can assemble at home.
  - monocasa 7y ago
    IDK, it's meticulous work I'll give it that, but more impressive computers have been built component by component. Just take your time, test each piece as you go, and don't develop an ego and you'll be fine.
  - deelowe 7y ago
    Some of us have reflow ovens, stencils, and past. It's not that hard with SMD. Through hole is where it gets time cosuming.