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In response to your comment, I’ll quote the article itself: > We’re all very sure we’re right, and the other people are wrong, conveniently forgetting that we

In response to your comment, I’ll quote the article itself: > We’re all very sure we’re right, and the other people are wrong, conveniently forgetting that we made up those things too.

csomar 7y ago
> We’re all very sure we’re right I'm not. But I'm not sure why is anyone advocating for a particular God. I think he should speak for himself. If you are advocating for religion as a way to structure and control society, I can see sense in that.
wilg 7y ago
That's the purpose of science, to determine as objectively as possible what and who is right and wrong. If you think that there is anything at all objective anywhere in the universe, then science is a good strategy for figuring that out.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >That's the purpose of science, to determine as objectively as possible what and who is right and wrong. And yet, that's not logically possible, as it's circular reasoning. You basically take a principle of faith (e.g. regarding induction), and you combine it with an empirical method.
  - wilg 7y ago
    I'm saying that if there are true things about the world to know, then science can help you figure out what they are. If you define "right" and "wrong" as "true" and "false" then you can understand them via science.
    - coldtea 7y ago
      >If you define "right" and "wrong" as "true" and "false" then you can understand them via science. There's nothing "true" and "false" about not defauding you/killing you/treating you like shit you if I'm to benefit from it. Scientifically speaking it's just a cost/benefit calculation (e.g. whether I'd get caught or not). Many people go for just that. We call them sociopaths. If we all started doing just that (and ignored moral principles), society would be chaos. Science can't replace morallity, except in trivial cases. Even if science says "it is true that society would be better if everybody did X" (e.g. didn't do X bad thing) that's still not enough of a basis for a morality. Because for science it is also true individually that "If you can do X and know you wont have any negative backslash on you particularly, you can benefit from it".
- throw0101a 7y ago
  How does science determine whether genocide is right or wrong?
  - wilg 7y ago
    We don't know yet whether we can figure that out with science.
    - throw0101a 7y ago
      Yes, the belief that we must base all of our knowledge on science is itself a "religious" belief: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism * https://blog.apaonline.org/2018/01/25/the-problem-with-scientism/ https://blog.apaonline.org/2018/01/25/the-problem-with-scien...
computerex 7y ago
Not everything ever posted online is right. The author of the OP also made this up and he too believes that he is right. Doesn't mean that he is. If there is an objective reality with absolute truths, rights and wrongs then it follows that somethings are right and somethings are wrong. Science is a systematic, evidence/reasoning based method of discovering the truths and eliminating the wrongs. It boils down to whether or not you believe in an objective reality.

In response to your comment, I’ll quote the article itself: > We’re all very sure we’re right, and the other people are wrong, conveniently forgetting that we made up those things too.

csomar 7y ago

> We’re all very sure we’re right I'm not. But I'm not sure why is anyone advocating for a particular God. I think he should speak for himself. If you are advocating for religion as a way to structure and control society, I can see sense in that.

wilg 7y ago

That's the purpose of science, to determine as objectively as possible what and who is right and wrong. If you think that there is anything at all objective anywhere in the universe, then science is a good strategy for figuring that out.

coldtea 7y ago
>That's the purpose of science, to determine as objectively as possible what and who is right and wrong. And yet, that's not logically possible, as it's circular reasoning. You basically take a principle of faith (e.g. regarding induction), and you combine it with an empirical method.
- wilg 7y ago
  I'm saying that if there are true things about the world to know, then science can help you figure out what they are. If you define "right" and "wrong" as "true" and "false" then you can understand them via science.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >If you define "right" and "wrong" as "true" and "false" then you can understand them via science. There's nothing "true" and "false" about not defauding you/killing you/treating you like shit you if I'm to benefit from it. Scientifically speaking it's just a cost/benefit calculation (e.g. whether I'd get caught or not). Many people go for just that. We call them sociopaths. If we all started doing just that (and ignored moral principles), society would be chaos. Science can't replace morallity, except in trivial cases. Even if science says "it is true that society would be better if everybody did X" (e.g. didn't do X bad thing) that's still not enough of a basis for a morality. Because for science it is also true individually that "If you can do X and know you wont have any negative backslash on you particularly, you can benefit from it".
throw0101a 7y ago
How does science determine whether genocide is right or wrong?
- wilg 7y ago
  We don't know yet whether we can figure that out with science.
  - throw0101a 7y ago
    Yes, the belief that we must base all of our knowledge on science is itself a "religious" belief: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism * https://blog.apaonline.org/2018/01/25/the-problem-with-scientism/ https://blog.apaonline.org/2018/01/25/the-problem-with-scien...

computerex 7y ago

Not everything ever posted online is right. The author of the OP also made this up and he too believes that he is right. Doesn't mean that he is. If there is an objective reality with absolute truths, rights and wrongs then it follows that somethings are right and somethings are wrong. Science is a systematic, evidence/reasoning based method of discovering the truths and eliminating the wrongs. It boils down to whether or not you believe in an objective reality.