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It amazes me that Google's managed to maintain this sense of being the underdog with almost 80% share worldwide. Apple is far from a monopoly. Hilariously far,

It amazes me that Google's managed to maintain this sense of being the underdog with almost 80% share worldwide. Apple is far from a monopoly. Hilariously far, in fact.

nabla9 7y ago
Both Google and Apple have monopoly power. Pure monopoly means single supplier, but companies having monopoly power where they have the ability to increasingly behave independently of competitive pressures is more common. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lerner_index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lerner_index Apple should be forced to stop these anticompetitive practices.
- svachalek 7y ago
  Just to clarify, you are saying Apple and Google are a co-monopoly because there is no third choice, or what? The link to Lerner index says it's pretty much impossible to actually calculate so I don't see where that's going.
- mrkstu 7y ago
  When your differentiation is in your ecosystem how is this action independent of competitive pressure? Their customers are end users and the App Store is one (and how they've run it) of their best selling points. Your line of thought only works if the developers are the customer- they are not in Apple's case.
  - nabla9 7y ago
    It's not just my personal line of thought. Your line of thought is the narrow "Chicago School" thinking Robert Bork in the US in the 90s where the sole focus is on the benefits to consumers and overall efficiency.
marvindanig 7y ago
An instance, but in no way covering the entire picture. One of the reasons why Google Chrome enjoys its monopoly is because Apple does a terrible job with its browser Safari. Terrible. I mean it's a train-wreck! Since iOS 10 or probably little later they have done nothing but destroy how the web apis are supposed to function, abusing every single accessibility guideline into something that is at best a line of defense to promote their app store. I hesitantly moved away from iPhone X to Android Pixel last month.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Or could it be that the reason Chrome “enjoys” a monopoly is because Apple doesn’t care about “winning” the browser war? Why should it? That was last decades battle. Not even MS cares about the browser enough anymore to invest in its own engine.
  - FussyZeus 7y ago
    This is the difference between companies trying to sell products and companies trying to sell attention. Apple doesn't benefit at all from people using Safari, because Safari is not a surveillance tool. Therefore, "marketing" Safari is at best, an afterthought. Chrome on the other hand... well, it's Google, one of the largest purveyors of advertising. If you don't think Chrome is watching you, I've got a bridge to sell you.
  - hesarenu 7y ago
    If they didn't care then we would have alternative rendering engine along with safari. They know that allowing competition is a threat to their business model.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      Since the submission is about MacOS and Electron....
      - hesarenu 7y ago
        And are you commenting about just macos and electron? Anyway does not change my answer.
        scarface74 7y ago
        It should since MacOS allows alternate browser engines....
        7y ago

It amazes me that Google's managed to maintain this sense of being the underdog with almost 80% share worldwide. Apple is far from a monopoly. Hilariously far, in fact.

nabla9 7y ago

Both Google and Apple have monopoly power. Pure monopoly means single supplier, but companies having monopoly power where they have the ability to increasingly behave independently of competitive pressures is more common. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lerner_index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lerner_index Apple should be forced to stop these anticompetitive practices.

svachalek 7y ago
Just to clarify, you are saying Apple and Google are a co-monopoly because there is no third choice, or what? The link to Lerner index says it's pretty much impossible to actually calculate so I don't see where that's going.
mrkstu 7y ago
When your differentiation is in your ecosystem how is this action independent of competitive pressure? Their customers are end users and the App Store is one (and how they've run it) of their best selling points. Your line of thought only works if the developers are the customer- they are not in Apple's case.
- nabla9 7y ago
  It's not just my personal line of thought. Your line of thought is the narrow "Chicago School" thinking Robert Bork in the US in the 90s where the sole focus is on the benefits to consumers and overall efficiency.

marvindanig 7y ago

An instance, but in no way covering the entire picture. One of the reasons why Google Chrome enjoys its monopoly is because Apple does a terrible job with its browser Safari. Terrible. I mean it's a train-wreck! Since iOS 10 or probably little later they have done nothing but destroy how the web apis are supposed to function, abusing every single accessibility guideline into something that is at best a line of defense to promote their app store. I hesitantly moved away from iPhone X to Android Pixel last month.

scarface74 7y ago
Or could it be that the reason Chrome “enjoys” a monopoly is because Apple doesn’t care about “winning” the browser war? Why should it? That was last decades battle. Not even MS cares about the browser enough anymore to invest in its own engine.
- FussyZeus 7y ago
  This is the difference between companies trying to sell products and companies trying to sell attention. Apple doesn't benefit at all from people using Safari, because Safari is not a surveillance tool. Therefore, "marketing" Safari is at best, an afterthought. Chrome on the other hand... well, it's Google, one of the largest purveyors of advertising. If you don't think Chrome is watching you, I've got a bridge to sell you.
- hesarenu 7y ago
  If they didn't care then we would have alternative rendering engine along with safari. They know that allowing competition is a threat to their business model.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Since the submission is about MacOS and Electron....
    - hesarenu 7y ago
      And are you commenting about just macos and electron? Anyway does not change my answer.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        It should since MacOS allows alternate browser engines....
        7y ago