That's not the point. The point is that copyright infringement is a very well-defined crime, and the activities we are talking about here are copyright infringe

That's not the point. The point is that copyright infringement is a very well-defined crime, and the activities we are talking about here are copyright infringement. It's not theft. It's not fraud. It's not vandalism. And yet, people in these discussion use those wrong terms to describe the activity. But the only reason they do that, is because they want to attach the greater stigma of those crimes, onto the less stigmatized crime of copyright infringement. And that's a dishonest argument.