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What privilege to insert oneself into an organization that exists because of the hard work and dedication of others, fix a problem that didn't exist by harassin

• justinsaccount 7y ago
  > fix a problem that didn't exist Didn't exist for you, maybe. Are you by any chance a white male? I myself am I white male, and while I don't personally have problems at conferences, I wouldn't pretend that problems don't exist. > What privilege Indeed.
  • sincerely 7y ago
    What specific problem are they fixing here?
  • lliamander 7y ago
    What problem was Charles Max Wood going to cause at KubeCon?
    • ElijahLynn 7y ago
      Wearing a MAGA hat anywhere in public is threatening to a significant portion of people. It is saying to everyone in the vicinity, I agree with all the hate that Trump has put out there. It is calling everyone a "loser" when you don't agree with them. It is giving schoolyard bully nicknames to anyone you don't like. It is just straight up toxic. And it is likely more threatening than average at a highly open source event, where many people dedicate their lives for deep values and human rights. If Charles Max Wood would have worn a MAGA hat at KubeCon, a lot of people would have felt very uncomfortable, including myself (not going to KubeCon this year though).
      • barthvr 7y ago
        So, just ask him not to wear it at the conference ?
      • TylerE 7y ago
        I prefer tha assholes walk around with giant "I'm an asshole" signs, personally.
        • preillyme 7y ago
          me too
      • syshum 7y ago
        So anyone that supports Republican policies or the current elected president of the US should be banned from Linux Foundation events? Do you have be a Democrat to be a part of Open Source now //for the record I am neither Republican nor Democrat, i am Libertarian, and I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 so don't burn me at the stake please...
        • lliamander 7y ago
          Well, I've already got the wood and gasoline...
        • gameswithgo 7y ago
          current gop behavior is pretty bad, i hesitate to associate with anyone still aligned that way if i don’t have to. it was not this way 10 years ago.
          • syshum 7y ago
            The current policies and positions of the GOP are the exact same as they were 10 years ago (slightly to the left actually) it is progressives / liberals that have moved, not the GOP
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    • pera 7y ago
      I'm not stating a personal opinion here but, for many people wearing a MAGA hat is equivalent to supporting this kind of speech: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best, they’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” - Donald Trump, 2015 If for instance you were from Mexico, it could be discouraging to attend the presentation of someone who believes that your ethnicity implies you are, most likely, a criminal. I personally wouldn't ask a question to someone who believes I am a rapist based on my ethnicity. Would you?
      • ghostpepper 7y ago
        Didn't he say "their rapists" not "they’re rapists"? Subtle difference but it does significantly shrink the group being called rapists from the entire country of Mexico to only immigrants.
        • masonic 7y ago
          "there are rapists"
        • PantsyMcPants 7y ago
          Weirdest bit of apologetics ever. Making small tactical adjustments that reduces the spread of statements target, but has little effect on its meaning or effect.
        • darkforest1336 7y ago
          Not even immigrants, just the illegal ones.
      • lliamander 7y ago
        And yet, for a Republican, he has record high support among the Hispanic population.
        • pera 7y ago
    • joshberkus 7y ago
      Charles Woods was denied a pass for Kubecon on the basis of his podcasted support, at length, for Somnez's attacks on women in tech. It had absolutely nothing to do with MAGA hats.
      • lliamander 7y ago
        Nevermind the fact that the women Somnez attacked were themselves harassing another woman in tech - even after she apologized (what her alleged offense was I'm not clear on). These women, as can be seen from their histories, are not new to this kind of behavior, and indeed they have explicitly said that they see civility and discourse as something invented "by white men, for white men" as a means of oppression. Somnez may have been excessive in his behavior, but he was doing it to draw fire away from an innocent individual.
  • zarkov99 7y ago
    Which problems exist that would be addressed by this?
• gameswithgo 7y ago
  at first it wasn’t clear if younwere talking about uncle bob inserting himself or the linux foundation insert thenselves.
• SamReidHughes 7y ago
  Spineless? KubeCon uses a system of racial preferences when giving out free tickets [1]. The leadership isn't spineless, they're evil and they believe in this stuff. (Hell, they also have preferences for gays, as if they're a marginalized or underrepresented group. That's batshit crazy.) [1] https://events19.linuxfoundation.org/events/kubecon-cloudnativecon-north-america-2019/attend/diversity-scholarships/ https://events19.linuxfoundation.org/events/kubecon-cloudnat...
  • meowface 7y ago
    >Cloud Native Computing Foundation’s diversity scholarship program provides support to those from traditionally underrepresented and/or marginalized groups in the technology and/or open source communities (including, but not limited to: persons identifying as LGBTQ, women, persons of color, and/or persons with disabilities) who may not otherwise have the opportunity to attend CNCF events for financial reasons. This is so confusing to me. What if you don't belong to an underrepresented or marginalized group but also don't have the opportunity to attend CNCF events for financial reasons? What if you do belong to such a group, do actually have the money to attend, but lie and say you don't so you can easily get a free ticket? If they're going to help people because of financial issues, why does it matter if they're, for example, homosexual or heterosexual? Just because you may face other difficulties in life due to being homosexual that you may not have otherwise faced if you were heterosexual doesn't mean your lack of money is somehow more real than a heterosexual person's lack of money. If they want to provide support to such a person, why not donate a percentage of the proceeds to LGBTQ organizations, for example, instead of letting them attend when someone who didn't share their birth characteristics but is otherwise in the same position can't? To use an extreme example, a gay person born to poor parents in San Francisco probably has a big leg-up in life over a straight person born to poor, meth-addicted, petty criminal parents in Idaho (accounting for cost of living differences etc., so the poor SF family has more money in total). Why not make the scholarship uncontrollable-attribute-blind and just make it based on financial need, or a combination of financial need and open source contributions, or something? To LGBTQ HN readers, how do you feel about policies like these? (Also, I don't think is at all "evil", as the parent said. Just baffling and ideological.)
• LIV2 7y ago
  It's done while shouting about "post-meritocracy" too which makes me think it's a selfish way for unskilled people to insert themselves into projects and make claims about being contributors