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Yeah this, but it's also pretty clear that gitlab has a lot of internal mess to clean up too. Looking at these comment threads it's amazing that people from al

Yeah this, but it's also pretty clear that gitlab has a lot of internal mess to clean up too. Looking at these comment threads it's amazing that people from all over the company just drop in to spout off, lines of delegation are very important in running a business, otherwise people don't stay in their lane. Then there's just generic poor manners / immaturity along with apparently retaliatory behavior. So yeah opening it up makes them look awful for everyone to see, but they also shouldn't just shut down public access because they've got a bunch of remedial "how to run a real business" lessons to learn too.

AnonGitLabEmpl 7y ago
It used to be welcomed for anyone in the company to discuss these things. That is still in our values that anyone and anything can be questioned that can be seen here: https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/values/#anyone-and-anything-can-be-questioned https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/values/#anyone-and-anythin... That isn't entirely true anymore since there is a strong fear of retaliation, so many have chosen to stay quiet.
- awinder 7y ago
  Yeah understood that it's intentional, but something being intentional doesn't make it a good idea. Once you outgrow a small number of people this is ultimately going to end up being relationship-destructive and a nuisance -- which is what I see all over these threads. But I get that there's certain personality types and people who experienced the good of that system mourn its loss, which sucks too.
sjburt 7y ago
Gitlab has clearly been internally out of control for years. If you're a user you're pretty accustomed to reporting a bug only to see it get delayed, ignored. Feature requests are even worse; if it doesn't have some internal champion it will be ignored for years. It's almost hilarious, you will ask your rep for something, they will tell that it is coming, and then you can watch them plead with the devs to complete silence. Meanwhile more half baked features like "Auto Devops" and "Cycle Analytics" are piled on. The docker/runner based CI is barely functional and any serious project runs up against the limitations of it (and the abysmal syntax of .gitlab-ci.yml) regularly.

AnonGitLabEmpl 7y ago

It used to be welcomed for anyone in the company to discuss these things. That is still in our values that anyone and anything can be questioned that can be seen here: https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/values/#anyone-and-anything-can-be-questioned https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/values/#anyone-and-anythin... That isn't entirely true anymore since there is a strong fear of retaliation, so many have chosen to stay quiet.

awinder 7y ago
Yeah understood that it's intentional, but something being intentional doesn't make it a good idea. Once you outgrow a small number of people this is ultimately going to end up being relationship-destructive and a nuisance -- which is what I see all over these threads. But I get that there's certain personality types and people who experienced the good of that system mourn its loss, which sucks too.

sjburt 7y ago

Gitlab has clearly been internally out of control for years. If you're a user you're pretty accustomed to reporting a bug only to see it get delayed, ignored. Feature requests are even worse; if it doesn't have some internal champion it will be ignored for years. It's almost hilarious, you will ask your rep for something, they will tell that it is coming, and then you can watch them plead with the devs to complete silence. Meanwhile more half baked features like "Auto Devops" and "Cycle Analytics" are piled on. The docker/runner based CI is barely functional and any serious project runs up against the limitations of it (and the abysmal syntax of .gitlab-ci.yml) regularly.