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Sarah Mei has been involved in this type of attack before, so this raises alarm bells to me that she's at the center of another. I fear she's becoming a massive

Sarah Mei has been involved in this type of attack before, so this raises alarm bells to me that she's at the center of another. I fear she's becoming a massive influence towards this kind of Stalinistic attack.

golf3 7y ago
Good thing Sarah "shut the fuck up" Mei is here to police conduct.
Fellshard 7y ago
Let me give an example of the kind of 'motive imputation' attacks she leads on a regular basis: https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1073251153360482304 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1073251153360482304 This is exactly parallel to her current tweet which LF responded to. Live by Twitter, die by Twitter.
- enriquto 7y ago
  oh my god, they are complaining about an acronym DDD, because it somehow sexual (not being a native english speaker, I fail to spot the innuendo). If there's anything to complain about ddd is the name clash with Data Display Debugger, a really cool debugger for linux. I wonder about the callous ignorance of Sarah Mei, who purports to be a feminist but ignores such an important program written by another woman.
  - korethr 7y ago
    > because it somehow sexual (not being a native english speaker, I fail to spot the innuendo). In the US, DD is a cup size for a brassiere, and thus indirectly refers to breast size on women. DD for sometime has been considered to be an uncommonly large breast size for a woman, especially a woman of otherwise more common proportions. DDD, being the next cup size up for reasons I don't understand (instead of cup sizes going E, F, etc), would therefore imply a woman even bustier than the supposedly uncommonly-busty DD-breasted woman. Yes, I think it's silly, too. Human mammary tissue has exactly fuck all to do with programming.
    - monksy 7y ago
      That's an unreasonably huge leap for the audience to make that connection.
      - zaphirplane 7y ago
        I wonder if the d3js project is next in the firing line
        monksy 7y ago
        Can we just cancel javascript?
        hoistbypetard 7y ago
        Can the letters "JS" be conflated with some other concept that offends someone who is inclined to make a stink on twitter and has a lot of followers? It could happen... Unfortunately we'd probably just rename it something less offensive like ECMAScript.
        erik_seaberg 7y ago
        “Later, in an effort to cash in on the popularity of Java the language is renamed JavaScript. Later still, in an effort to cash in on the popularity of skin diseases …”
      - Mirioron 7y ago
        As somebody else pointed or, that's the explanation Sarah Mei gave on Twitter in the past.[0] The tweet about them discovering "3D" is on point. [0] https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1073251153360482304 https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahmei/status/10732511533604823...
        monksy 7y ago
        She's not going to care about that.
  - amitkgupta84 7y ago
    I’m still struggling to find the context for this whole thing. Where did you find DDD mentioned?
    - Fellshard 7y ago
      I believe it was a mis-reply intended for this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21485640 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21485640
      - dang 7y ago
        Ok, we've moved it to be a child of that comment rather than https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21486331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21486331.
  - temporallobe 7y ago
    This reminds me of some post by an SJW-type who complained about a makeup company printing the word “black / negro” on their mascara because it was somehow racist.
- goatinaboat 7y ago
  It’s easy to laugh at the sheer stupidity of that tweet. But imagine you wanted to use Domain Driven Design (or the Data Display Debugger, or the dd utility, or the D language) at an organisation that employs this person... and you get fired for it. But all of this is on all their permanent records and when the pendulum swings the other way, they will have ample time to reflect.
  - wang_li 7y ago
    Someday this type of thing is going to have a very clear connection to loss of a job or contract and someone is going to learn the term tortious interference. Then find themselves writing a bigger check than they thought they would be when they woke up that day. Paired with a groveling public apology.
  - sampo 7y ago
    Here is a Reddit story about some non-native English speaker getting fired in California over a variable name: https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/dpcfns/i_got_fired_over_a_variable_name/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/dpcfns/i...
    - concordDance 7y ago
      A large proportion of the more interesting and shareable stories are creative writing exercises. This is almost certainly one.
- onli 7y ago
  But that clearly must be a joke. Isn't it?
  - Fellshard 7y ago
    No; unfortunately, this isn't cherry-picked. Unlike with the accused this topic is referring to, Sarah Mei has lots of history you can scroll through. Another incident involved her attacking an author regarding a book on 'software craftsmanship' because - she claimed - the word 'craftsman' was definitionally sexist. https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/990265064866308096 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/990265064866308096
    - onli 7y ago
      Okay, now I saw two of the craziest things I ever saw today. Thanks, that clears it up for me. The Linux Foundation seems to be a broken organization.
    - FireBeyond 7y ago
      In that thread, there's a comment, "it's why we call them firefighters, not firemen"... As someone in fire and EMS, around here, among us, including the females (this area has quite probably the highest proportion of females in fire and EMS in the country), there is an inherent pride in the title 'fireman', regardless of gender. To us it implies "I don't 'fight' fire. I am a [man] of fire, who intrinsically understands it, lives and breathes it, and knows how to master (uh-oh) it".
      - goatinaboat 7y ago
        Here in Wales all the female firefighters refer to themselves as “firemen” too, and proudly.
        namirez 7y ago
        > all the female firefighters Good for them! I'm personally agnostic about this, but you sound as if you know them all and you know what they think. It can be tricky to separate ones perception from reality.
- sorenjan 7y ago
  This kind of holier than thou, "fuck you I'm right", "you have no say because I say so", "I'm marginalized because I say so therefore my opinion trumps yours" attitude should be shunned and laughed at, not embraced and empowered. She's acting like she speaks for all women and they're all made out of glass. Somehow these people get away with equating sexual or lewd jokes as anti women, as if women couldn't possible make the same kind of jokes. Not saying that's whats going on in the DDD case though, but that's her angle of it. Unfortunately, this kind of extreme SJW mindset seems to be winning ground in the name of inclusion by scared useful idiots. Tech used to be a relatively sane area where logic and accomplishments was what mattered, now you need to kiss these lunatics asses unless you want to be painted as a horrible person that hates everyone but white straight males. It reminds me about how several of the subreddits for lesbians have been taken over by transsexual women that ban lesbian women if they argue about not being attracted to penis[0]. Saying you're against MtF transexuals competing against regular women in sports labels you as a TERF[1] and persona non grata in some circles, and those circles are gaining power. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/ddv8ep/lesbians_shouldnt_be_banned_on_their_own/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/ddv8ep/lesb... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERF
  - entropea 7y ago
    I'd like to point out that this isn't all trans women and some of us realize this takeover is absolutely insane. A lot of us want to blend into society and not cause any hardship to others, or any destruction of projects like this. Social Justice is going way too far. Because of these grifters I don't even want to identify as transgender any longer.
ajross 7y ago
> Stalinistic attack Was Stalin known for unfair, politically biased code of conduct enforcement? Sorry, I don't see the need for hyperbole here. Even in context, yanking a ticket from KubeCon is hardly the same thing as being purged from the government, tried for imagined crimes and sent to a Gulag.
- Fellshard 7y ago
  It is in line with the categories of the accusations made in that time. This is effectively a loyalty accusation: by seeking to mediate, he has shown himself to be insufficiently committed to the cause of racial and gender justice, which consequently means his motive must have been to defend the racist.
  - ajross 7y ago
    Yeah, but "making loyalty accusations" isn't exactly what Stalin is known for. He's known for a brutal purge that sent his political enemies to death camps. To Godwinize for clarity: this is like using "Hitlerian" to celebrate a public policy achievement in passenger rail scheduling.
    - Fellshard 7y ago
      It is at the core of the worldview and ideology he espoused. The actions he is known for flow out from that ideology.
    - neonate 7y ago
      In this case I suppose "Stalinist" is a metonym for the apparatchiks who enforced ideological purity in institutions and made sure that deviants got punished.
- meowface 7y ago
  Maybe it'd be more accurate to call it McCarthyist.
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golf3 7y ago

Good thing Sarah "shut the fuck up" Mei is here to police conduct.

Fellshard 7y ago

Let me give an example of the kind of 'motive imputation' attacks she leads on a regular basis: https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1073251153360482304 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1073251153360482304 This is exactly parallel to her current tweet which LF responded to. Live by Twitter, die by Twitter.

enriquto 7y ago
oh my god, they are complaining about an acronym DDD, because it somehow sexual (not being a native english speaker, I fail to spot the innuendo). If there's anything to complain about ddd is the name clash with Data Display Debugger, a really cool debugger for linux. I wonder about the callous ignorance of Sarah Mei, who purports to be a feminist but ignores such an important program written by another woman.
- korethr 7y ago
  > because it somehow sexual (not being a native english speaker, I fail to spot the innuendo). In the US, DD is a cup size for a brassiere, and thus indirectly refers to breast size on women. DD for sometime has been considered to be an uncommonly large breast size for a woman, especially a woman of otherwise more common proportions. DDD, being the next cup size up for reasons I don't understand (instead of cup sizes going E, F, etc), would therefore imply a woman even bustier than the supposedly uncommonly-busty DD-breasted woman. Yes, I think it's silly, too. Human mammary tissue has exactly fuck all to do with programming.
  - monksy 7y ago
    That's an unreasonably huge leap for the audience to make that connection.
    - zaphirplane 7y ago
      I wonder if the d3js project is next in the firing line
      - monksy 7y ago
        Can we just cancel javascript?
        hoistbypetard 7y ago
        Can the letters "JS" be conflated with some other concept that offends someone who is inclined to make a stink on twitter and has a lot of followers? It could happen... Unfortunately we'd probably just rename it something less offensive like ECMAScript.
        erik_seaberg 7y ago
        “Later, in an effort to cash in on the popularity of Java the language is renamed JavaScript. Later still, in an effort to cash in on the popularity of skin diseases …”
    - Mirioron 7y ago
      As somebody else pointed or, that's the explanation Sarah Mei gave on Twitter in the past.[0] The tweet about them discovering "3D" is on point. [0] https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1073251153360482304 https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahmei/status/10732511533604823...
      - monksy 7y ago
        She's not going to care about that.
- amitkgupta84 7y ago
  I’m still struggling to find the context for this whole thing. Where did you find DDD mentioned?
  - Fellshard 7y ago
    I believe it was a mis-reply intended for this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21485640 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21485640
    - dang 7y ago
      Ok, we've moved it to be a child of that comment rather than https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21486331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21486331.
- temporallobe 7y ago
  This reminds me of some post by an SJW-type who complained about a makeup company printing the word “black / negro” on their mascara because it was somehow racist.
goatinaboat 7y ago
It’s easy to laugh at the sheer stupidity of that tweet. But imagine you wanted to use Domain Driven Design (or the Data Display Debugger, or the dd utility, or the D language) at an organisation that employs this person... and you get fired for it. But all of this is on all their permanent records and when the pendulum swings the other way, they will have ample time to reflect.
- wang_li 7y ago
  Someday this type of thing is going to have a very clear connection to loss of a job or contract and someone is going to learn the term tortious interference. Then find themselves writing a bigger check than they thought they would be when they woke up that day. Paired with a groveling public apology.
- sampo 7y ago
  Here is a Reddit story about some non-native English speaker getting fired in California over a variable name: https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/dpcfns/i_got_fired_over_a_variable_name/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/dpcfns/i...
  - concordDance 7y ago
    A large proportion of the more interesting and shareable stories are creative writing exercises. This is almost certainly one.
onli 7y ago
But that clearly must be a joke. Isn't it?
- Fellshard 7y ago
  No; unfortunately, this isn't cherry-picked. Unlike with the accused this topic is referring to, Sarah Mei has lots of history you can scroll through. Another incident involved her attacking an author regarding a book on 'software craftsmanship' because - she claimed - the word 'craftsman' was definitionally sexist. https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/990265064866308096 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/990265064866308096
  - onli 7y ago
    Okay, now I saw two of the craziest things I ever saw today. Thanks, that clears it up for me. The Linux Foundation seems to be a broken organization.
  - FireBeyond 7y ago
    In that thread, there's a comment, "it's why we call them firefighters, not firemen"... As someone in fire and EMS, around here, among us, including the females (this area has quite probably the highest proportion of females in fire and EMS in the country), there is an inherent pride in the title 'fireman', regardless of gender. To us it implies "I don't 'fight' fire. I am a [man] of fire, who intrinsically understands it, lives and breathes it, and knows how to master (uh-oh) it".
    - goatinaboat 7y ago
      Here in Wales all the female firefighters refer to themselves as “firemen” too, and proudly.
      - namirez 7y ago
        > all the female firefighters Good for them! I'm personally agnostic about this, but you sound as if you know them all and you know what they think. It can be tricky to separate ones perception from reality.
sorenjan 7y ago
This kind of holier than thou, "fuck you I'm right", "you have no say because I say so", "I'm marginalized because I say so therefore my opinion trumps yours" attitude should be shunned and laughed at, not embraced and empowered. She's acting like she speaks for all women and they're all made out of glass. Somehow these people get away with equating sexual or lewd jokes as anti women, as if women couldn't possible make the same kind of jokes. Not saying that's whats going on in the DDD case though, but that's her angle of it. Unfortunately, this kind of extreme SJW mindset seems to be winning ground in the name of inclusion by scared useful idiots. Tech used to be a relatively sane area where logic and accomplishments was what mattered, now you need to kiss these lunatics asses unless you want to be painted as a horrible person that hates everyone but white straight males. It reminds me about how several of the subreddits for lesbians have been taken over by transsexual women that ban lesbian women if they argue about not being attracted to penis[0]. Saying you're against MtF transexuals competing against regular women in sports labels you as a TERF[1] and persona non grata in some circles, and those circles are gaining power. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/ddv8ep/lesbians_shouldnt_be_banned_on_their_own/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/ddv8ep/lesb... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERF
- entropea 7y ago
  I'd like to point out that this isn't all trans women and some of us realize this takeover is absolutely insane. A lot of us want to blend into society and not cause any hardship to others, or any destruction of projects like this. Social Justice is going way too far. Because of these grifters I don't even want to identify as transgender any longer.

ajross 7y ago

> Stalinistic attack Was Stalin known for unfair, politically biased code of conduct enforcement? Sorry, I don't see the need for hyperbole here. Even in context, yanking a ticket from KubeCon is hardly the same thing as being purged from the government, tried for imagined crimes and sent to a Gulag.

Fellshard 7y ago
It is in line with the categories of the accusations made in that time. This is effectively a loyalty accusation: by seeking to mediate, he has shown himself to be insufficiently committed to the cause of racial and gender justice, which consequently means his motive must have been to defend the racist.
- ajross 7y ago
  Yeah, but "making loyalty accusations" isn't exactly what Stalin is known for. He's known for a brutal purge that sent his political enemies to death camps. To Godwinize for clarity: this is like using "Hitlerian" to celebrate a public policy achievement in passenger rail scheduling.
  - Fellshard 7y ago
    It is at the core of the worldview and ideology he espoused. The actions he is known for flow out from that ideology.
  - neonate 7y ago
    In this case I suppose "Stalinist" is a metonym for the apparatchiks who enforced ideological purity in institutions and made sure that deviants got punished.
meowface 7y ago
Maybe it'd be more accurate to call it McCarthyist.
- deleted 7y ago