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Alright, I've spent a couple hours trying to figure this out. Correct me if I'm wrong here. Asking the "woke" individuals on twitter what Charles did wrong will

Alright, I've spent a couple hours trying to figure this out. Correct me if I'm wrong here. Asking the "woke" individuals on twitter what Charles did wrong will invoke a response of "F you do your own research it's obvious what Charles did wrong." Man A said something racist to Woman B, Charles then stepped in and said "let's have a reasonable phone call and sort this out civilly." What gets more interesting is Woman B has at least one tweet saying "White men in tech ain't shit." So she's definitely racist. edit: (could be wrong about who is who here, but someone involved in getting him banned definitely said the white men in tech comment.) Charles is getting this hate because by saying to the "Obviously racist" man A, "lets have a civil phone call about this," He's obviously siding with racists instead of siding with the marginalized minorities. (sarcasm) Charles is getting tons of comments that he should shut the F up and listen to these marginalized groups instead of trying to butt in and make himself look good. Charles is Mormon, 9 Mormons were just burned alive in Mexico, so obviously Charles has no idea what it's like the be a part of a hated, marginalized group. edit: Sorry it's hard to tell, I'm definitely being sarcastic in parts of this post. Opinion here, I think people on twitter are working very hard to turn "differing politics" into "unacceptable bigotry." And it's definitely working. It seems the original racist guy mainly has a problem with affirmative action. And he definitely doesn't use current politically correct speech around gender either. But is that grounds for banning a dude just for associating with the "racist guy". I'll leave that up to the reader to decide.

umvi 7y ago
What is happening to the USA? I am honestly more scared for our country because of the current pervasive political divisiveness than I am because of climate change. At least with climate change you have a few decades to prepare. The USA wasn't anything like it is now 20 years ago in terms of divisiveness, and it seems like the divisiveness is getting worse every year. A "cold civil war" I've heard it called.
- commandlinefan 7y ago
  > 20 years ago It wasn't even like this 4 years ago.
  - CobrastanJorji 7y ago
    It's almost like something really divisive happened within the last 4 years or so. I can't imagine what.
    - EricE 7y ago
      You bet - the political elites got thoroughly rejected and the resulting temper tantrum hasn't stopped yet! The next five years should be even more exciting. EDIT: we really need to stop referring to them as political elites; that's giving them too much credit. The wannabe political elites then - because obviously they weren't as elite as they thought - ha!
      - commandlinefan 7y ago
        Somewhat less divisively: what ought to have been a routine democratic election took place which a lot of people invested a lot of emotion into. It’s hardly the first time a world government has had a political upset, but it does seem to be the first time a significant segment of the population lost sight of the fact that democracy only works when everybody accepts the results, even if it wasn’t the result they voted for.
        CobrastanJorji 7y ago
        I don't believe your assertion that it was the losers who didn't accept the results. The person most prominently questioning the integrity of the election was the winner. He spent months putting out strange lies about about "3 million invalid votes" and opened an advisory committee to investigate election integrity. He's only escalated it since. A couple of months ago, he claimed that the 2016 election had 16 million fake votes.
        hnal943 7y ago
        Stacey Abrams
- withinboredom 7y ago
  This is why I moved out. Look up the DAFT.
asdf21 7y ago
Don't try to logically think your way out of issues that weren't logically entered into in the first place, it's pointless. These folks don't want to resolve anything, they just want to point at a "bad guy" and have them be harmed.
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zozbot234 7y ago
> ...He's obviously siding with racists instead of siding with the marginalized minorities. Hopefully you aren't being too serious. I could easily imagine someone saying that who was taking B's side in the dispute. No one should be banned from a conference and slandered as a hateful, violence-inclined etc. person for trying his best to de-escalate a conflict, no matter how misguided and perhaps even outrageous.
- SirYandi 7y ago
  I read that as sarcasm, but yes it is a little hard to tell.
NilsIRL 7y ago
Is there any way to have evidence for what you're saying? I've been looking for at this HN thread and there still hasn't been any evidence of the original tweets. Why would people be mad at Charles for "let's have a reasonable phone call and sort this out civilly."? There seems to be some missing information including a video that no one has posted.
- throwaway5752 7y ago
  I doubt 10 people know the real story behind this. Everyone here should practice the MYOB principle. edit: DuskStar - I obviously edited this substantially, because I added nothing of value and only served to continue discussion of this submission. Both of the conclusions you jumped to are incorrect, it's a shame we were unable to have a mutually respectful exchange about it.
  - DuskStar 7y ago
    EDIT: My apologies for the lack of conversation here, then. Original comment: I'm confused by the significance of that link. Are you trying to suggest that since he was against firing James Damore, or since he's complained about character assassination in the past, his future opinions should be ignored?
  - korethr 7y ago
    What is the MYOB principle? I did a Google search, but Google seems to think I'm looking for a company out of Australia that makes accounting and resource planning software for businesses. Given your commment and the context of this thread, I suspect that's not what you're referring to.
    - gpantazes 7y ago
      I'm guessing MYOB => Mind your own business.
- foo98765 7y ago
  It's also clear as mud how things got from a tussle on Twitter the whole content/participation of which is also pretty fuzzy to a ban from a conference that had no apparent connection. (The conference is in about a week so nothing happened at the conference itself.) The Linux Foundation did do a code of conduct post thread on Twitter which, among other things, mentions you can violate an event CoC before an event although it's also unclear what that means. I'm sure more than a few of the 10,000 people attending Kubecon have, at some point in their lives, done something to upset someone else on Twitter.
joshmanders 7y ago
I'd like to point out that this "racist guy" has also never said anything racist. The WORST thing he said was told a black woman to "shut your mouth"
Mountain_Skies 7y ago
For anyone who wants to hear Mr. Sonmez's side of the story, here's a video on the topic from his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yYSi32fKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yYSi32fKI

umvi 7y ago

What is happening to the USA? I am honestly more scared for our country because of the current pervasive political divisiveness than I am because of climate change. At least with climate change you have a few decades to prepare. The USA wasn't anything like it is now 20 years ago in terms of divisiveness, and it seems like the divisiveness is getting worse every year. A "cold civil war" I've heard it called.

commandlinefan 7y ago
> 20 years ago It wasn't even like this 4 years ago.
- CobrastanJorji 7y ago
  It's almost like something really divisive happened within the last 4 years or so. I can't imagine what.
  - EricE 7y ago
    You bet - the political elites got thoroughly rejected and the resulting temper tantrum hasn't stopped yet! The next five years should be even more exciting. EDIT: we really need to stop referring to them as political elites; that's giving them too much credit. The wannabe political elites then - because obviously they weren't as elite as they thought - ha!
    - commandlinefan 7y ago
      Somewhat less divisively: what ought to have been a routine democratic election took place which a lot of people invested a lot of emotion into. It’s hardly the first time a world government has had a political upset, but it does seem to be the first time a significant segment of the population lost sight of the fact that democracy only works when everybody accepts the results, even if it wasn’t the result they voted for.
      - CobrastanJorji 7y ago
        I don't believe your assertion that it was the losers who didn't accept the results. The person most prominently questioning the integrity of the election was the winner. He spent months putting out strange lies about about "3 million invalid votes" and opened an advisory committee to investigate election integrity. He's only escalated it since. A couple of months ago, he claimed that the 2016 election had 16 million fake votes.
        hnal943 7y ago
        Stacey Abrams
withinboredom 7y ago
This is why I moved out. Look up the DAFT.

asdf21 7y ago

Don't try to logically think your way out of issues that weren't logically entered into in the first place, it's pointless. These folks don't want to resolve anything, they just want to point at a "bad guy" and have them be harmed.

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zozbot234 7y ago

> ...He's obviously siding with racists instead of siding with the marginalized minorities. Hopefully you aren't being too serious. I could easily imagine someone saying that who was taking B's side in the dispute. No one should be banned from a conference and slandered as a hateful, violence-inclined etc. person for trying his best to de-escalate a conflict, no matter how misguided and perhaps even outrageous.

SirYandi 7y ago
I read that as sarcasm, but yes it is a little hard to tell.

NilsIRL 7y ago

Is there any way to have evidence for what you're saying? I've been looking for at this HN thread and there still hasn't been any evidence of the original tweets. Why would people be mad at Charles for "let's have a reasonable phone call and sort this out civilly."? There seems to be some missing information including a video that no one has posted.

throwaway5752 7y ago
I doubt 10 people know the real story behind this. Everyone here should practice the MYOB principle. edit: DuskStar - I obviously edited this substantially, because I added nothing of value and only served to continue discussion of this submission. Both of the conclusions you jumped to are incorrect, it's a shame we were unable to have a mutually respectful exchange about it.
- DuskStar 7y ago
  EDIT: My apologies for the lack of conversation here, then. Original comment: I'm confused by the significance of that link. Are you trying to suggest that since he was against firing James Damore, or since he's complained about character assassination in the past, his future opinions should be ignored?
- korethr 7y ago
  What is the MYOB principle? I did a Google search, but Google seems to think I'm looking for a company out of Australia that makes accounting and resource planning software for businesses. Given your commment and the context of this thread, I suspect that's not what you're referring to.
  - gpantazes 7y ago
    I'm guessing MYOB => Mind your own business.
foo98765 7y ago
It's also clear as mud how things got from a tussle on Twitter the whole content/participation of which is also pretty fuzzy to a ban from a conference that had no apparent connection. (The conference is in about a week so nothing happened at the conference itself.) The Linux Foundation did do a code of conduct post thread on Twitter which, among other things, mentions you can violate an event CoC before an event although it's also unclear what that means. I'm sure more than a few of the 10,000 people attending Kubecon have, at some point in their lives, done something to upset someone else on Twitter.

joshmanders 7y ago

I'd like to point out that this "racist guy" has also never said anything racist. The WORST thing he said was told a black woman to "shut your mouth"

Mountain_Skies 7y ago

For anyone who wants to hear Mr. Sonmez's side of the story, here's a video on the topic from his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yYSi32fKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yYSi32fKI