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Does this count as a social credit system?

• krapp 7y ago
  No. A private venue or organization having rules of conduct does not count as a social credit system.
  • donatj 7y ago
    Aren't financial creditors also private institutions?
    • krapp 7y ago
      Yes, but I don't see the relevance. The use of the term "social credit system" is intended to imply an system of political oppression and censorship similar to that used by the Chinese Communist party, and further to create fear of the implied radical leftist/progressive agenda assumed to be behind codes of conduct by associating them with violent authoritarianism. Being banned from a private venue is an expression of the right of free association. It is not a violation of anyone's rights, because one does not have a right to attend a private venue. It is not a form of political oppression or censorship, because one does not require attendance at a private venue to express one's political beliefs. Therefore, because the rights of banned attendees have not been violated, nor their speech suppressed, nor has any violence been imposed against the banned attendees, or critics of the code of conduct, said code of conduct is not equivalent to the policies of the Chinese government or a social credit system.
      • pmlnr 7y ago
        Call it secret consumer score, it's the same thing. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/business/secret-consumer-score-access.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/business/secret-consumer-...
      • LocalH 7y ago
        "Right of free association", sure. So by that token, businesses should be free to refuse to "associate" with anyone for any reason. Guess what, that legitimizes racism and discrimination.
        • dgzl 7y ago
          I used agree with (and sort of still do) the sentiment of private discrimination. The logic goes like this... 1. People should be able to control their own business 2. If they reject a group of people for a given reason, they can 3. Businesses that done reject this group will gain more business. (Both from the newly released group, and from patrons who are not rejected but are against the discrimination) 4. The rejected people could start their own business as a competitor 5. Discriminatory people/businesses are immediately identified. It seems like it could just work itself out, but in Patrice I'm not sure.
  • dgzl 7y ago
    Maybe I'm using the wrong verbiage, but I don't see the difference. If the "rules of conduct" extend into your personal life outside the venue, how is that not the same?
    • jonbronson 7y ago
      Demonstrating a lack of ethical values in personal life seems like a good measuring stick to whether one might demonstrate ethical values in a professional setting. But more importantly, how can participants interact with any event or process of an organization if they cannot trust those involved?
      • dgzl 7y ago
        That sounds like a social credit system. Good behavior raises credit, bad behaviour lowers it. > how can ... If they cannot trust Bravery?
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