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Software getting worse, just out of my head: - VS2019 removed at least two important features from VS2017 (export of profiler results and the concurrency profi

by s9w 7y ago

Software getting worse, just out of my head: - VS2019 removed at least two important features from VS2017 (export of profiler results and the concurrency profiler) - Firefox "new" extension API still means you can't remove the top tab bar from tree style tabs (best FF extension) without hacks - Current Dropbox versions are incredibly invasive. They popup when opening a word document. When pluggin in my Camera. And now started showing a glowing red "error" because I "only" have a Pro account and no business account (when using 0,4% of my storage). Also they still have no way of ignoring folders. - Malwarebytes Anti-Malware just jumped the shark two (?) years ago with its redesign. It was so good back then - Skype is being almost completely unusable. Still popular because of the name unfortunately - Imgur is a joke and became what it was literally founded to avoid - The new Reddit layout is borderline unusable. They will lose the rest of the core users when they disable the old. subdomain - Teamviewer. How is it possible that such an program is not backwards compatible between versions? Everytime I want to use it it's a dance to quickly delete/find/install a version that the other side has - I don't understand how the "modern" Windows start menu works they introduced in Win 8 I think. Luckily everyone I know uses classicshell - Phones have gotten almost to the point of being unusable. The latency, audio quality, skipping and hearing your own voice made me avoid phone conversations for years now. Even landlines are all digital and horribly compressed. Humanity had that one nailed in the 60s.

Crinus 7y ago
> I don't understand how the "modern" Windows start menu works they introduced in Win 8 I think. The current start menu was introduced in Windows 10 though even the initial 10 version was a bit different. Windows 8 had a "start screen" where there were only tiles (that are now at the side) and took the entire screen. Because the Windows 8 start screen and the initial Windows 10 start menu strongly deemphasized folders (submenus) everything was placed on the top level (in Windows 8 you'd see even subfolder icons on the top level). More recent versions of Windows 10 have the start menu show proper folders by default, but they use a tree-like "flow down" approach instead of an actual popup menu approach which makes navigating them harder. These two combined makes the start menu a mess with tons of toplevel entries for applications that you are not going to use often or at all and a UI that makes it hard to create proper categories. Nowadays we have more applications and programs than we ever had in the history of personal computing, yet the UIs for launchers are now being made as if we only have a handful of applications. This is true not only for Windows but also for launchers like those found in GNOME, elementaryOS, etc.
- brewdad 7y ago
  I've given up trying to locate the program I need via the tiles. Now I hit the Windows key and start typing the application name I need. Making the interface worse has actually made things easier in many cases. Except when I end up launching a web search by mistake.
  - growt 7y ago
    I do the same, because for some reason only microsoft knows those tiles display the latest news and try to get me to launch candy crush instead of helping me to launch programs. So I only use the search feature which works ok most of the time. Some days ago I fixed the printer on my wife's laptop which involved a restart as usual. Right after the restart I typed "printer" in the search field and all I got was web -search. So right after a restart windows "forgets" that it has a native setting for configuring printers (and basicly everthing else).
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
    Windows 7 had start menu search, only without the web bits, so its still worse.
  - tonyedgecombe 7y ago
    That stopped working on my machine, I found a ton of articles on the web about it but none of the suggestions fixed it. In the end I did a reinstall.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
  Linux Desktop launchers are much, much worse I think, if only because .desktop files are among the stupidest things ever designed.
  - Crinus 7y ago
    .desktop files are just the equivalent to Windows .lnk files, if anything they can contain additional metadata. The issue is the DEs that use them (and not all are of the same bad quality). If anything i'd say that .desktop files are among the few things that Free Desktop got right (though i think that is largely because they're basically KDE1's .kdelnk or whatever they were called).
rjsw 7y ago
Your point on phones is the odd one out for me, my fairly new $20 Nokia/HMD phone has really good audio even when making international calls.
- s9w 7y ago
  Maybe it's a regional thing. I'm German and things are often shittier versions here than anywhere else. I haven't had a phone conversation that felt like a latency under .5 seconds in 5+ years.
  - rjsw 7y ago
    I have made calls between France and the UK and not noticed a problem.
  - garaetjjte 7y ago
    It depends on operator, BTS etc. and which codec it would negotiate with phone. Recently I noticed that in specific location 3G UMTS call quality is much worse than 2G GSM... (and there is that weird VoLTE, but it apparently requires specifically supported phone by operator with branded firmware..why!?)
  - kba 7y ago
    With fear of starting a fire here, are you using an Android phone? I'm asking, because whenever I hear people complain about phone software that just breaks, it's almost always Android, and with good reason: They have to support a lot more phones than iOS, and Android is a lot more open. So I just wanted to air the idea that you could try with an iPhone. iOS may lack some of the feature Android users are used to, but in my experience, it's just more stable, and I don't at all share the sentiment that "phones are unusable" or that the audio quality is bad or anything of the kind. If there's one device I can always count on working, it's my phone.
    - vetinari 7y ago
      In android, radio stack is chipset specific and the OS interacts with it via RIL, provided by chipset vendor. It has nothing to do with "has to support a lot more phones than iOS"; in both systems the OS does not touch the audio streams, just routes them from/to input/output.
avip 7y ago
- windows 10 has no built-in media player that can handle a DVD. - Android Studio... don't get me started.
- kyriakos 7y ago
  Android studio feels like a skyscraper put together with glue and duct tape
- WorldMaker 7y ago
  > windows 10 has no built-in media player that can handle a DVD It was something like ~$15-$25 per copy in licensing fees that they could save. Moving that to a Store purchase was purely a financial move to save Windows costs. For everyone complaining about the Candy Crush installer shortcut, imagine how many ads there'd be if they still included DVD playing out of the box, even though hardly no one was using it.
rgrau 7y ago
Like the old Moore's Law of "don't do anything, your software will run faster in 1 year time", we could nearly apply this to software itself "don't touch anything and, by comparison, in 1 year time it will be awesomer than it is now".
- buboard 7y ago
  I commend microsoft for maintaining older versions far longer than most. All the replacement apps from the windows 7 -> win 10 upgrade have been slower. Luckily , i still have the old ones.
chme 7y ago
> - The new Reddit layout is borderline unusable. They will lose the rest of the core users when they disable the old. subdomain While I agree with you here, there is also a point that it might attract new and younger users with its more 'modern' look. Personally I like sites like HN or the old style wikipedia for its information density and out of the way design. But that might just be the age talking here. People that grow up now that mostly scroll by touching the screen with their fingers have other requirements and ideas about good UI.
- Crinus 7y ago
  I doubt age has anything to do with it (unless you imply younger people prefer shitty interfaces) since Reddit's new site is awful even on mobile. I always switch to i.reddit.com not only because it is much faster, but also because the new layout just unusable with somehow combining both oversized (even for mobile standards) elements and tiny elements all over the place, needing a ton of taps to just read comments (which means you'll often mistap something and the slow loading takes ages), popups getting in the way, etc. It plainly sucks. At least unlike other sites, they have the decency to leave the old UIs around, so not everything is bad.
  - andrepd 7y ago
    When a pocket supercomputer takes 10 seconds to display a list of comments in your website (and your previous version did it in 0.5s), it's time to stop and reflect how it went so wrong.
  - skinnymuch 7y ago
    I have yet to come across a normal friend who doesn’t think HN is a super ugly site which essentially means if they had interest in the site, they prob wouldn’t use it. All the HN comments here about Reddit are talking about how they feel and their bubble feels. Which I personally agree with. But I’m not representative of every day user.
    - Crinus 7y ago
      There is no such thing as "every day user" though, every user is different and if anything a major source of those UX issues people have is "designers" who come up with imaginary "every day users" (usually to justify their own preferences) instead of performing actual usability tests on real users (and accepting when their ideas are bad or wrong) or just sticking with things that we already know that works and perhaps tweaking them (but again accept when they screw up and users say so and revert their changes instead of doubling down on them).
Neil44 7y ago
The TeamViewer thing will be deliberate, because they’ve sold a load of perpetual licenses for older versions so incompatibility is how they get more money out of you.
Semaphor 7y ago
> Current Dropbox versions are incredibly invasive. OT, but does anyone know if there is an API-shim for dropbox integrations? I use YNAB classic and that’s the only reason I have dropbox and it is utterly horrible. edit: I just deleted dropbox. I’ll sync YNAB manually instead. Dropbox behaves like malware.
- m-p-3 7y ago
  I don't know if it would help, but I use Mountain Duck ($) to map cloud storage as a network drive.
  - nabeards 7y ago
    I've used odrive since it launched, and have never installed any native sync tools since. It's exactly what I want cloud sync to be.
  - Semaphor 7y ago
    Would be fine with payware, but sadly that is not how ynab sync is done :/ I have nextcloud and tried syncing the YNAB files directly, but that just breaks tons of things.
- bobbylarrybobby 7y ago
  Doesn’t YNAB have its own sync?
  - Semaphor 7y ago
    No, classic has only dropbox as an option and uses some kind of Dropbox api to manage it :/
paulddraper 7y ago
- Skype, everything - Vizio Smartcast. I bought it as a simple display plus Chromecast. Later, updates turned in into a household ad billboard every time I turn it on.
vinceguidry 7y ago
I’m slowly moving away from graphical applications and towards FOSS software. It’s a giant pain but once done, it’s done until I want to mess with it again. Eventually I may get to the point where my whole operating system has a lock file. That would be nice.
- oneeyedpigeon 7y ago
  > I’m slowly moving away from graphical applications and towards FOSS software. That's a weird statement. You can move from graphical apps towards text-based ones, or from proprietary software to FOSS, or even from graphical, proprietary apps to text-based, FOSS ones, but the combination you gave mixes up two mainly unrelated factors.
petters 7y ago
Newer Dropbox features like smart sync are pretty cool and useful though. They give you more free disk space with little extra UI.
mfer 7y ago
You deserve an award for best "Get Off My Lawn" post of the day. Thank you.
dimman 7y ago
I guess what we see is in part due to the transition towards more and more ”highlevel”. Now don’t get me wrong here, ”high level” in general is supposed to make life easier for developers, more rapid development and for corporate a better ROI. The downside is that it requires less understanding of the underlaying foundations (it hides it on purpose) from the developers/engineers. Now I’m not saying that ”high level engineers” are less engineers than others, but it’s not surprising that we’re moving in the direction we’re moving. It’s by design. (Now this doesn’t explain everything, far from it, but IMO it’s why we see an image writer weighting in on 300MB compared to a C/C++ version at <1MB)
- buboard 7y ago
  That would put form over function , and would be dangerous. There is no reason to go "high level" just to convenience the engineers (except perhaps being able to hire cheaper, less qualified ones). The tradeoffs can be dangerous. Imagine this kind of fragility being installed in robocars.
michaelbuckbee 7y ago
Some of these are "power" vs "everyday" user optimizations. The one that jumps out to me is Skype. I had read some case studies of their redesign where they stated that 90%+ of Skype users only have two or three Skype contacts, and they use it to talk to their family members. The redesign optimized for that and as a result you, I and everyone else with hundreds of contacts lost our collective minds. I 100% get that it's worse for you (and me too) but I think it's important to look at what they were actually trying to do and it makes sense.
- pmontra 7y ago
  Ok, that could be the reason but I'd had appreciated if they were honest to tell us, the people that (used to) use Skype for work "thank you, we don't want you anymore, go find some other tool."
  - michaelbuckbee 7y ago
    Note that Skype has now split into "Skype for Business" (whic is it's own form of weirdness in Office 365) and then normal Skype which is for the family/individuals.
    - pmontra 7y ago
      Isn't Skype for Business Microsoft's old own Lync rebranded as Skype? [1] [2] It's seems it is about to become Microsoft Teams. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_for_Business https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_for_Business [2] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2014/11/11/introducing-skype-business/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2014/11/1... > In the first half of 2015, the next version of Lync will become Skype for Business with a new client experience, new server release and updates to the service in Office 365
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
  Why not make the software flexible enough that the user can conform it to their own needs? Let me guess: too much trouble for a developer to implement and maintain.
_pmf_ 7y ago
> Imgur is a joke and became what it was literally founded to avoid It literally fails utterly at the singular thing it is supposed to do. Makes me feel less bad about my own managerial driven development.
- rambojazz 7y ago
  What does it fail at?
mitchtbaum 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsAllMyFault https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsAllMyFault https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAreBetterThan... https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BetterThanNew https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BetterThanNew https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ResponsibilityTropes https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ResponsibilityTr...
- cptnapalm 7y ago
  And like that, millions of hours of productivity were lost.
  - haunter 7y ago
    Offtopic but your name reminded me to your comment from a few weeks ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008817 What's that app? I mean which one exactly? I have some OS/2 copies in VM
    - cptnapalm 7y ago
      System Element software is for bringing up IBM mainframes. I rescued a Multiprise 3000 from a scrap dealer. It works, but I don't have any of the software to bring it up. Some folks are helping me piece together enough bits and pieces to, hopefully, act as a system element so I can stop trying to figure out how to get it up and running and start wondering what to do with a working 20 year old mainframe.
  - sundarurfriend 7y ago
    I've never gotten these "TVTropes rabbithole" memes. I've visited the site plenty, it's tickled my curiousity from time to time, but it's never really gotten me to spend hours on it. Wikipedia or HN have a much greater chance of doing that that TVTropes, for me.
BubRoss 7y ago
Great list. Also twitter employs around four thousand people but throttles mobile users. They use multiple megabytes to deliver 288 characters. Two things - pi hole or something like it is a godsend. It makes many sites filled to brim with nonsense become usable. For phones, one plus seems to have done well with using fast CPUs and cutting down on bloat at the same time.
gkfasdfasdf 7y ago
A year ago I had bluetooth headphones that would call out mileage stats during my run; pausing my audiobook in the progress. I recently replaced the headphones with a newer model b/c battery life degraded on the old pair; and also recently upgraded to android 10 on my phone. But now instead of getting a full report of distance, pace, and time, I get distance followed by 5 seconds of silence. Not sure if it is the headphones, Android 10, audiobook app or workout app, but yeah, it does totally seem like software just gets worse over time.
- chooseaname 7y ago
  I will say this until it changes, but it is because 1) devs care only about developer productivity and 2) shareholders are the new customer. Nobody is focusing on the real customer.
jraph 7y ago
> Current Dropbox versions are incredibly invasive. They popup when opening a word document. When pluggin in my Camera. And now started showing a glowing red "error" because I "only" have a Pro account and no business account (when using 0,4% of my storage). Also they still have no way of ignoring folders. Have you tried Nextcloud? It is not invasive and is able to ignore folders. There are paid providers available though I have never tried them, I host my own instance.
tlynchpin 7y ago
This has happened to me with Firefox. Thankfully there is Waterfox. Recently this came up in discussion with a software developer who was overly concerned with openssl certificate minutiae. I advised the only durable solution for his concerns is a method to change the entire implementation, not only the certs.
ryandrake 7y ago
What would be nice is if software were distributed in such a way that you could always pick up the security fixes, performance improvements, and other good stuff, and skip the UI re-designs, killed features, chat functions, and other awful stuff that always seem to come with updates. Lots of software used to do maintenance releases but sadly this practice seems to have gone out of fashion. Software upgrades are almost always now "take it all or leave it".
jobigoud 7y ago
The "Photos" app in Windows. Thankfully the old Windows Image Viewer is still there, just need a registry hack to enable it back.
noxer 7y ago
Assuming most use windows 10 by now not win 8 so everything relevant for the start menu is back. Tiles can all be removed (I don't like them) The top 10 most used programs should be pinned to the taskbar. WIN+1,2,3,...0 will start them/lay the focus on them Everything else I start with WIN+"type some letters of the name" Right click on the windows "start"-logo brings up shortcuts to jump basically everywhere in the windows settings for example "event viewer" or "device manager". Note that WIN+search orders results by hits so if you use it for a while it gets better. Also if you don't use file search you should turn it off as this makes search faster for starting programs.

by s9w 7y ago

Crinus 7y ago

> I don't understand how the "modern" Windows start menu works they introduced in Win 8 I think. The current start menu was introduced in Windows 10 though even the initial 10 version was a bit different. Windows 8 had a "start screen" where there were only tiles (that are now at the side) and took the entire screen. Because the Windows 8 start screen and the initial Windows 10 start menu strongly deemphasized folders (submenus) everything was placed on the top level (in Windows 8 you'd see even subfolder icons on the top level). More recent versions of Windows 10 have the start menu show proper folders by default, but they use a tree-like "flow down" approach instead of an actual popup menu approach which makes navigating them harder. These two combined makes the start menu a mess with tons of toplevel entries for applications that you are not going to use often or at all and a UI that makes it hard to create proper categories. Nowadays we have more applications and programs than we ever had in the history of personal computing, yet the UIs for launchers are now being made as if we only have a handful of applications. This is true not only for Windows but also for launchers like those found in GNOME, elementaryOS, etc.

brewdad 7y ago
I've given up trying to locate the program I need via the tiles. Now I hit the Windows key and start typing the application name I need. Making the interface worse has actually made things easier in many cases. Except when I end up launching a web search by mistake.
- growt 7y ago
  I do the same, because for some reason only microsoft knows those tiles display the latest news and try to get me to launch candy crush instead of helping me to launch programs. So I only use the search feature which works ok most of the time. Some days ago I fixed the printer on my wife's laptop which involved a restart as usual. Right after the restart I typed "printer" in the search field and all I got was web -search. So right after a restart windows "forgets" that it has a native setting for configuring printers (and basicly everthing else).
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
  Windows 7 had start menu search, only without the web bits, so its still worse.
- tonyedgecombe 7y ago
  That stopped working on my machine, I found a ton of articles on the web about it but none of the suggestions fixed it. In the end I did a reinstall.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
Linux Desktop launchers are much, much worse I think, if only because .desktop files are among the stupidest things ever designed.
- Crinus 7y ago
  .desktop files are just the equivalent to Windows .lnk files, if anything they can contain additional metadata. The issue is the DEs that use them (and not all are of the same bad quality). If anything i'd say that .desktop files are among the few things that Free Desktop got right (though i think that is largely because they're basically KDE1's .kdelnk or whatever they were called).

rjsw 7y ago

Your point on phones is the odd one out for me, my fairly new $20 Nokia/HMD phone has really good audio even when making international calls.

s9w 7y ago
Maybe it's a regional thing. I'm German and things are often shittier versions here than anywhere else. I haven't had a phone conversation that felt like a latency under .5 seconds in 5+ years.
- rjsw 7y ago
  I have made calls between France and the UK and not noticed a problem.
- garaetjjte 7y ago
  It depends on operator, BTS etc. and which codec it would negotiate with phone. Recently I noticed that in specific location 3G UMTS call quality is much worse than 2G GSM... (and there is that weird VoLTE, but it apparently requires specifically supported phone by operator with branded firmware..why!?)
- kba 7y ago
  With fear of starting a fire here, are you using an Android phone? I'm asking, because whenever I hear people complain about phone software that just breaks, it's almost always Android, and with good reason: They have to support a lot more phones than iOS, and Android is a lot more open. So I just wanted to air the idea that you could try with an iPhone. iOS may lack some of the feature Android users are used to, but in my experience, it's just more stable, and I don't at all share the sentiment that "phones are unusable" or that the audio quality is bad or anything of the kind. If there's one device I can always count on working, it's my phone.
  - vetinari 7y ago
    In android, radio stack is chipset specific and the OS interacts with it via RIL, provided by chipset vendor. It has nothing to do with "has to support a lot more phones than iOS"; in both systems the OS does not touch the audio streams, just routes them from/to input/output.

avip 7y ago

- windows 10 has no built-in media player that can handle a DVD. - Android Studio... don't get me started.

kyriakos 7y ago
Android studio feels like a skyscraper put together with glue and duct tape
WorldMaker 7y ago
> windows 10 has no built-in media player that can handle a DVD It was something like ~$15-$25 per copy in licensing fees that they could save. Moving that to a Store purchase was purely a financial move to save Windows costs. For everyone complaining about the Candy Crush installer shortcut, imagine how many ads there'd be if they still included DVD playing out of the box, even though hardly no one was using it.

rgrau 7y ago

Like the old Moore's Law of "don't do anything, your software will run faster in 1 year time", we could nearly apply this to software itself "don't touch anything and, by comparison, in 1 year time it will be awesomer than it is now".

buboard 7y ago
I commend microsoft for maintaining older versions far longer than most. All the replacement apps from the windows 7 -> win 10 upgrade have been slower. Luckily , i still have the old ones.

chme 7y ago

> - The new Reddit layout is borderline unusable. They will lose the rest of the core users when they disable the old. subdomain While I agree with you here, there is also a point that it might attract new and younger users with its more 'modern' look. Personally I like sites like HN or the old style wikipedia for its information density and out of the way design. But that might just be the age talking here. People that grow up now that mostly scroll by touching the screen with their fingers have other requirements and ideas about good UI.

Crinus 7y ago
I doubt age has anything to do with it (unless you imply younger people prefer shitty interfaces) since Reddit's new site is awful even on mobile. I always switch to i.reddit.com not only because it is much faster, but also because the new layout just unusable with somehow combining both oversized (even for mobile standards) elements and tiny elements all over the place, needing a ton of taps to just read comments (which means you'll often mistap something and the slow loading takes ages), popups getting in the way, etc. It plainly sucks. At least unlike other sites, they have the decency to leave the old UIs around, so not everything is bad.
- andrepd 7y ago
  When a pocket supercomputer takes 10 seconds to display a list of comments in your website (and your previous version did it in 0.5s), it's time to stop and reflect how it went so wrong.
- skinnymuch 7y ago
  I have yet to come across a normal friend who doesn’t think HN is a super ugly site which essentially means if they had interest in the site, they prob wouldn’t use it. All the HN comments here about Reddit are talking about how they feel and their bubble feels. Which I personally agree with. But I’m not representative of every day user.
  - Crinus 7y ago
    There is no such thing as "every day user" though, every user is different and if anything a major source of those UX issues people have is "designers" who come up with imaginary "every day users" (usually to justify their own preferences) instead of performing actual usability tests on real users (and accepting when their ideas are bad or wrong) or just sticking with things that we already know that works and perhaps tweaking them (but again accept when they screw up and users say so and revert their changes instead of doubling down on them).

Neil44 7y ago

The TeamViewer thing will be deliberate, because they’ve sold a load of perpetual licenses for older versions so incompatibility is how they get more money out of you.

Semaphor 7y ago

> Current Dropbox versions are incredibly invasive. OT, but does anyone know if there is an API-shim for dropbox integrations? I use YNAB classic and that’s the only reason I have dropbox and it is utterly horrible. edit: I just deleted dropbox. I’ll sync YNAB manually instead. Dropbox behaves like malware.

m-p-3 7y ago
I don't know if it would help, but I use Mountain Duck ($) to map cloud storage as a network drive.
- nabeards 7y ago
  I've used odrive since it launched, and have never installed any native sync tools since. It's exactly what I want cloud sync to be.
- Semaphor 7y ago
  Would be fine with payware, but sadly that is not how ynab sync is done :/ I have nextcloud and tried syncing the YNAB files directly, but that just breaks tons of things.
bobbylarrybobby 7y ago
Doesn’t YNAB have its own sync?
- Semaphor 7y ago
  No, classic has only dropbox as an option and uses some kind of Dropbox api to manage it :/

paulddraper 7y ago

- Skype, everything - Vizio Smartcast. I bought it as a simple display plus Chromecast. Later, updates turned in into a household ad billboard every time I turn it on.

vinceguidry 7y ago

I’m slowly moving away from graphical applications and towards FOSS software. It’s a giant pain but once done, it’s done until I want to mess with it again. Eventually I may get to the point where my whole operating system has a lock file. That would be nice.

oneeyedpigeon 7y ago
> I’m slowly moving away from graphical applications and towards FOSS software. That's a weird statement. You can move from graphical apps towards text-based ones, or from proprietary software to FOSS, or even from graphical, proprietary apps to text-based, FOSS ones, but the combination you gave mixes up two mainly unrelated factors.

petters 7y ago

Newer Dropbox features like smart sync are pretty cool and useful though. They give you more free disk space with little extra UI.

mfer 7y ago

You deserve an award for best "Get Off My Lawn" post of the day. Thank you.

dimman 7y ago

I guess what we see is in part due to the transition towards more and more ”highlevel”. Now don’t get me wrong here, ”high level” in general is supposed to make life easier for developers, more rapid development and for corporate a better ROI. The downside is that it requires less understanding of the underlaying foundations (it hides it on purpose) from the developers/engineers. Now I’m not saying that ”high level engineers” are less engineers than others, but it’s not surprising that we’re moving in the direction we’re moving. It’s by design. (Now this doesn’t explain everything, far from it, but IMO it’s why we see an image writer weighting in on 300MB compared to a C/C++ version at <1MB)

buboard 7y ago
That would put form over function , and would be dangerous. There is no reason to go "high level" just to convenience the engineers (except perhaps being able to hire cheaper, less qualified ones). The tradeoffs can be dangerous. Imagine this kind of fragility being installed in robocars.

michaelbuckbee 7y ago

Some of these are "power" vs "everyday" user optimizations. The one that jumps out to me is Skype. I had read some case studies of their redesign where they stated that 90%+ of Skype users only have two or three Skype contacts, and they use it to talk to their family members. The redesign optimized for that and as a result you, I and everyone else with hundreds of contacts lost our collective minds. I 100% get that it's worse for you (and me too) but I think it's important to look at what they were actually trying to do and it makes sense.

pmontra 7y ago
Ok, that could be the reason but I'd had appreciated if they were honest to tell us, the people that (used to) use Skype for work "thank you, we don't want you anymore, go find some other tool."
- michaelbuckbee 7y ago
  Note that Skype has now split into "Skype for Business" (whic is it's own form of weirdness in Office 365) and then normal Skype which is for the family/individuals.
  - pmontra 7y ago
    Isn't Skype for Business Microsoft's old own Lync rebranded as Skype? [1] [2] It's seems it is about to become Microsoft Teams. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_for_Business https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_for_Business [2] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2014/11/11/introducing-skype-business/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2014/11/1... > In the first half of 2015, the next version of Lync will become Skype for Business with a new client experience, new server release and updates to the service in Office 365
AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
Why not make the software flexible enough that the user can conform it to their own needs? Let me guess: too much trouble for a developer to implement and maintain.

_pmf_ 7y ago

> Imgur is a joke and became what it was literally founded to avoid It literally fails utterly at the singular thing it is supposed to do. Makes me feel less bad about my own managerial driven development.

rambojazz 7y ago
What does it fail at?

mitchtbaum 7y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsAllMyFault https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsAllMyFault https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAreBetterThan... https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BetterThanNew https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BetterThanNew https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ResponsibilityTropes https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ResponsibilityTr...

cptnapalm 7y ago
And like that, millions of hours of productivity were lost.
- haunter 7y ago
  Offtopic but your name reminded me to your comment from a few weeks ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21008817 What's that app? I mean which one exactly? I have some OS/2 copies in VM
  - cptnapalm 7y ago
    System Element software is for bringing up IBM mainframes. I rescued a Multiprise 3000 from a scrap dealer. It works, but I don't have any of the software to bring it up. Some folks are helping me piece together enough bits and pieces to, hopefully, act as a system element so I can stop trying to figure out how to get it up and running and start wondering what to do with a working 20 year old mainframe.
- sundarurfriend 7y ago
  I've never gotten these "TVTropes rabbithole" memes. I've visited the site plenty, it's tickled my curiousity from time to time, but it's never really gotten me to spend hours on it. Wikipedia or HN have a much greater chance of doing that that TVTropes, for me.

BubRoss 7y ago

Great list. Also twitter employs around four thousand people but throttles mobile users. They use multiple megabytes to deliver 288 characters. Two things - pi hole or something like it is a godsend. It makes many sites filled to brim with nonsense become usable. For phones, one plus seems to have done well with using fast CPUs and cutting down on bloat at the same time.

gkfasdfasdf 7y ago

A year ago I had bluetooth headphones that would call out mileage stats during my run; pausing my audiobook in the progress. I recently replaced the headphones with a newer model b/c battery life degraded on the old pair; and also recently upgraded to android 10 on my phone. But now instead of getting a full report of distance, pace, and time, I get distance followed by 5 seconds of silence. Not sure if it is the headphones, Android 10, audiobook app or workout app, but yeah, it does totally seem like software just gets worse over time.

chooseaname 7y ago
I will say this until it changes, but it is because 1) devs care only about developer productivity and 2) shareholders are the new customer. Nobody is focusing on the real customer.

jraph 7y ago

> Current Dropbox versions are incredibly invasive. They popup when opening a word document. When pluggin in my Camera. And now started showing a glowing red "error" because I "only" have a Pro account and no business account (when using 0,4% of my storage). Also they still have no way of ignoring folders. Have you tried Nextcloud? It is not invasive and is able to ignore folders. There are paid providers available though I have never tried them, I host my own instance.

tlynchpin 7y ago

This has happened to me with Firefox. Thankfully there is Waterfox. Recently this came up in discussion with a software developer who was overly concerned with openssl certificate minutiae. I advised the only durable solution for his concerns is a method to change the entire implementation, not only the certs.

ryandrake 7y ago

What would be nice is if software were distributed in such a way that you could always pick up the security fixes, performance improvements, and other good stuff, and skip the UI re-designs, killed features, chat functions, and other awful stuff that always seem to come with updates. Lots of software used to do maintenance releases but sadly this practice seems to have gone out of fashion. Software upgrades are almost always now "take it all or leave it".

jobigoud 7y ago

The "Photos" app in Windows. Thankfully the old Windows Image Viewer is still there, just need a registry hack to enable it back.

noxer 7y ago

Assuming most use windows 10 by now not win 8 so everything relevant for the start menu is back. Tiles can all be removed (I don't like them) The top 10 most used programs should be pinned to the taskbar. WIN+1,2,3,...0 will start them/lay the focus on them Everything else I start with WIN+"type some letters of the name" Right click on the windows "start"-logo brings up shortcuts to jump basically everywhere in the windows settings for example "event viewer" or "device manager". Note that WIN+search orders results by hits so if you use it for a while it gets better. Also if you don't use file search you should turn it off as this makes search faster for starting programs.