> This is a common misconception — safety and security are different things. IMO this could either be read as: - "The misconception that safety and security a

> This is a common misconception — safety and security are different things. IMO this could either be read as: - "The misconception that safety and security are different things is common", i.e. they are not different, but the misconception is common. - "The misconception [above, that safety and security are not different things] is common - safety and security /are/ two very different things." I hope you mean the latter (safety != security). I consult in security (hardware and software), and I came to security by way of high-availability, high-consequence systems. I've seen many safe, but insecure systems. I don't know if it's possible to have an unsafe, secure system (I doubt it?) but absolutely, safety != security. There is an overlap of sorts, but to say that these 2 "are not different things" is why I have lots of work. Wow, sorry, I'll get off my soapbox. I'm still not sure if perhaps we're in "violent agreement" as the saying goes.