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I have had one of these for years in South Australia (app store release data may 2017). Our car rego is all digital as well which used to cause confusion inters

by shirro 7y ago

I have had one of these for years in South Australia (app store release data may 2017). Our car rego is all digital as well which used to cause confusion interstate as we don't have rego stickers. I don't adopt a lot of digital technology like social media because I think it is of dubious value with potential risks but nfc payments and a digital licence lets me travel with just my phone which suits me really well. I hate carrying a wallet. One potential issue with having this on your phone is that you are unlocking your phone and handing it to the police which could be a problem for some people. Though people can still carry a card.

jlebar 7y ago
> One potential issue with having this on your phone is that you are unlocking your phone and handing it to the police FWIW Android has a (somewhat hidden) "pin app" function that prevents users from switching to a different app without entering the lock code.
- shirro 7y ago
  Thanks. Just turned it on and learned how to use it. A few too many steps to the UI. I think I would prefer if an app like this was pinned from the moment it was opened.
- austhrow743 7y ago
  Same with iphone. Accessibility settings -> Guided access. Can turn on a setting so that when you triple click the home button it locks use to that app until you unlock.
  - w-ll 7y ago
    Thank you for teaching me something today. Had no clue about this feature and it looks pretty interesting. That being said... while testing it I was able to escape to the Messages app by clicking a share btn in an app, or long pressing a link in a webkit ui object to share the link. From the Messages i was able to get to contacts and see contact info. If you create a 'new message' with an existing contact it will actually load all the previous messages for that contact. I assume it would also load group messages for a group as this behavior is present in normal messages mode. At first i didn't think images where loading, but if I scrolled up till it had to load in older messages it shows images Same for other apps that register in the share functionality. I was also able to go to the 'more' and enable other apps like Slack and One Note and was able to gather a lot of details from the dialogs they provide. Messages seams to have the most 'out of bounds' gonna play with this some more. I wanna also say I have a kinda older iPhone, running 12.1.4 in case some of this has been improved.
    - austhrow743 7y ago
      Still happens on 13.2.2. Looks like they should disable the share sheet in it.
      - simonh 7y ago
        Or require your PIN to access the share sheet in this scenario.
PinkMilkshake 7y ago
In NSW you are not required to hand it over to police. From the site: "You don’t need to hand over your device to the licence checker. If a licence checker is struggling to view your digital driver licence, adjust the tilt of your device or turn up your brightness settings. "
- shirro 7y ago
  Isn't this the same state where they have been strip searching 12 year old girls without a parent or guardian? Most police I have encountered are great but good to know how to protect your phone incase you encounter one of the rare idiots. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/06/revealed-nsw-police-strip-searched-more-than-100-girls-including-12-year-olds https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/06/revea...
chris_wot 7y ago
The police may not touch the phone.
- sabrehagen 7y ago
  Can you reference the legal documents regarding this?
  - chris_wot 7y ago
    Photo Card Act 2005, Section 13B Use of digital Photo Card "Despite any other provision of this section, a person who displays or purports to display a digital driver licence is not required to give or hand over, to the person who is requiring the driver licence to be produced or handed over, the mobile phone or other electronic device on which the digital driver licence is displayed or purported to be displayed." https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/2005/20/part2a/sec13b https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/2005/20/part2a/sec...
- tacticus 7y ago
  And when you tell them no what's the chance they listen and don't suddenly volunteer you for a search.
maxden 7y ago
Although as others have posted, apparently the police are not allowed to touch the phone, but people are used to handing over the current plastic license so would likely hand over their phone unless instructed otherwise. It was news to me that you can lock android and iOS to a certain app so that would be a good thing to do if your license is requested.
bamboozled 7y ago
The worst thing about this system is that if your battery dies, well you can’t prove your identity. I guess cops carry chargers now ?
- concerned_user 7y ago
  In europe we have phone app for public transport, in my city, if your phone is out of charge they will help you charge it so you can show ticket to them.
  - Intermernet 7y ago
    "here, plug your phone into this USB cable that I happen to have in my car. Honest, it's just a charger..." Although I was a first day adopter of the new NSW digital license, I'm only going to use it as a backup for my physical license. I really don't trust the NSW government, and I've come across enough dodgy cops in this state to know better. Most cops are fine, but the ones that aren't can destroy you for the rest of your life.
    - ajsnigrutin 7y ago
      Most phones do nothing (except charge) when plugged, until you actively choose the option (file sharing, usb debugging,...).
      - Jamwinner 7y ago
        Usb ports are the attack surface for standard gvt issue phone snarfers. Thought this was common knowledge.
- isostatic 7y ago
  Do you have to show your license in NSW? In the UK we have to give our name and address, then turn up to a police station within 7 days with our license.
  - deleted 7y ago
icanhackit 7y ago
> One potential issue with having this on your phone is that you are unlocking your phone and handing it to the police which could be a problem for some people. Though people can still carry a card. NSW resident. If I was driving I'd carry my physical license which I'd hand to police. If I was heading out by foot to a pub, bar, bottle shop or tobacconist I'd use my phone because that's how I pay for things. I'm not young looking but if I were, at least the phone would save me carrying a wallet. Opal, NSW's public transport payment system, works directly with contactless payment i.e. credit cards, debit cards, phones (all phones - hi Myki!), smart watches and, unsurprisingly, dedicated Opal cards. Making licenses app-based opens up the option to leave home without anything but your phone.

by shirro 7y ago

jlebar 7y ago

> One potential issue with having this on your phone is that you are unlocking your phone and handing it to the police FWIW Android has a (somewhat hidden) "pin app" function that prevents users from switching to a different app without entering the lock code.

shirro 7y ago
Thanks. Just turned it on and learned how to use it. A few too many steps to the UI. I think I would prefer if an app like this was pinned from the moment it was opened.
austhrow743 7y ago
Same with iphone. Accessibility settings -> Guided access. Can turn on a setting so that when you triple click the home button it locks use to that app until you unlock.
- w-ll 7y ago
  Thank you for teaching me something today. Had no clue about this feature and it looks pretty interesting. That being said... while testing it I was able to escape to the Messages app by clicking a share btn in an app, or long pressing a link in a webkit ui object to share the link. From the Messages i was able to get to contacts and see contact info. If you create a 'new message' with an existing contact it will actually load all the previous messages for that contact. I assume it would also load group messages for a group as this behavior is present in normal messages mode. At first i didn't think images where loading, but if I scrolled up till it had to load in older messages it shows images Same for other apps that register in the share functionality. I was also able to go to the 'more' and enable other apps like Slack and One Note and was able to gather a lot of details from the dialogs they provide. Messages seams to have the most 'out of bounds' gonna play with this some more. I wanna also say I have a kinda older iPhone, running 12.1.4 in case some of this has been improved.
  - austhrow743 7y ago
    Still happens on 13.2.2. Looks like they should disable the share sheet in it.
    - simonh 7y ago
      Or require your PIN to access the share sheet in this scenario.

PinkMilkshake 7y ago

In NSW you are not required to hand it over to police. From the site: "You don’t need to hand over your device to the licence checker. If a licence checker is struggling to view your digital driver licence, adjust the tilt of your device or turn up your brightness settings. "

shirro 7y ago
Isn't this the same state where they have been strip searching 12 year old girls without a parent or guardian? Most police I have encountered are great but good to know how to protect your phone incase you encounter one of the rare idiots. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/06/revealed-nsw-police-strip-searched-more-than-100-girls-including-12-year-olds https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/06/revea...

chris_wot 7y ago

The police may not touch the phone.

sabrehagen 7y ago
Can you reference the legal documents regarding this?
- chris_wot 7y ago
  Photo Card Act 2005, Section 13B Use of digital Photo Card "Despite any other provision of this section, a person who displays or purports to display a digital driver licence is not required to give or hand over, to the person who is requiring the driver licence to be produced or handed over, the mobile phone or other electronic device on which the digital driver licence is displayed or purported to be displayed." https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/2005/20/part2a/sec13b https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/2005/20/part2a/sec...
tacticus 7y ago
And when you tell them no what's the chance they listen and don't suddenly volunteer you for a search.

maxden 7y ago

Although as others have posted, apparently the police are not allowed to touch the phone, but people are used to handing over the current plastic license so would likely hand over their phone unless instructed otherwise. It was news to me that you can lock android and iOS to a certain app so that would be a good thing to do if your license is requested.

bamboozled 7y ago

The worst thing about this system is that if your battery dies, well you can’t prove your identity. I guess cops carry chargers now ?

concerned_user 7y ago
In europe we have phone app for public transport, in my city, if your phone is out of charge they will help you charge it so you can show ticket to them.
- Intermernet 7y ago
  "here, plug your phone into this USB cable that I happen to have in my car. Honest, it's just a charger..." Although I was a first day adopter of the new NSW digital license, I'm only going to use it as a backup for my physical license. I really don't trust the NSW government, and I've come across enough dodgy cops in this state to know better. Most cops are fine, but the ones that aren't can destroy you for the rest of your life.
  - ajsnigrutin 7y ago
    Most phones do nothing (except charge) when plugged, until you actively choose the option (file sharing, usb debugging,...).
    - Jamwinner 7y ago
      Usb ports are the attack surface for standard gvt issue phone snarfers. Thought this was common knowledge.
isostatic 7y ago
Do you have to show your license in NSW? In the UK we have to give our name and address, then turn up to a police station within 7 days with our license.
- deleted 7y ago

icanhackit 7y ago

> One potential issue with having this on your phone is that you are unlocking your phone and handing it to the police which could be a problem for some people. Though people can still carry a card. NSW resident. If I was driving I'd carry my physical license which I'd hand to police. If I was heading out by foot to a pub, bar, bottle shop or tobacconist I'd use my phone because that's how I pay for things. I'm not young looking but if I were, at least the phone would save me carrying a wallet. Opal, NSW's public transport payment system, works directly with contactless payment i.e. credit cards, debit cards, phones (all phones - hi Myki!), smart watches and, unsurprisingly, dedicated Opal cards. Making licenses app-based opens up the option to leave home without anything but your phone.