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> just look at the whole pizzagate falseness Pizzagate is largely responsible for Epstein's crimes entering the public zeitgeist. Some of the allegations were

by cwkoss 7y ago

> just look at the whole pizzagate falseness Pizzagate is largely responsible for Epstein's crimes entering the public zeitgeist. Some of the allegations were bizarre and unfounded, but I credit Pizzagate for taking down one of the most rampant child sexual abusers in our nation's history (that we know of). Bill Clinton's rides on the "lolita express" were brought to light by Pizzagate, which then kept investigating Epsteins connections to Trump, Acosta, and Epstein's numerous associates. To put my tinfoil hat on, I suspect that once the internet started releasing some seeds of truth, the pedo cabal engaged in topic sliding superlative accusations to muddy the waters about which revelations had a basis in fact. Does Hillary Clinton really drink the blood of children? Of course not. But, Epstein was certainly a creep and I'm glad he was taken down. I'd hope the FBI has done an impartial investigation of the allegations against Podesta and Alefantis: public found some creepy-but-ambiguous skelletons in their closets as well.

Usernamed000 7y ago
Pizzagate's main propagandist was a Trump supporter who is in court with Jeffery Epstein's ex-lawyer Alan Dershowitz siding against Epstein's victims. That supporter, Mike Cernovich, rallied gullible MAGA fanatics around this conspiracy leading to a gunman storming a pizza place looking for a non-existent child sex dungeon. For whatever reason you are hear trying to give it credit when really it was a deflection campaign. Cernovich didn't detail his work with Alan Dershowitz in court as much as he promoted outright conspiracy theories to followers known to be violent. These people want you to believe Epstein's accusers but not when it comes to their claims about Trump or Dershowitz. If the accusers are to be believed then their claims exonerate Clinton while rope Dershowitz and Trump in being involved with the child sex trafficking centered around Mar-a-Lago.
- cwkoss 7y ago
  Pizzagate was an online popular movement that raised suspicion against numerous political figures on both sides of the aisle. I think you're giving Cernovich way too much credit here. Many right-wing personalities latched onto pizzagate because Bill Clinton flew on the "Lolita Express" many times, sometimes without secret service, and this made HRC look bad. Cernovich is a publicity troll: he latched on because it was self serving. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a 'topic sliding' agent being used intentionally. A lack of accusers pointing the finger at Clinton does not exonerate him. But I agree, from what I've read, it seems that Dershowitz and Trump both had involvement - at minimum they had prior knowledge of Epstein's crimes.
  - Usernamed000 7y ago
    >Pizzagate was an online popular movement that raised suspicion against numerous political figures on both sides of the aisle. Don't forget shooting firearms in pizza parlors based on the efforts of people explicitly biased towards Trump. Why bother trying to make the conspiracy theory look balanced when it was all about shrieking at Clintons and deep state democrats. >Cernovich is a publicity troll He is in court with Dershowitz, his involvement and apparent pro-rape statements along with biases towards Trump has resulted in the victim expressing fear over his propagandist tendencies and his involvement in the court case in general. That is more than publicity trolling. >A lack of accusers pointing the finger at Clinton does not exonerate him. No it just leaves people relentlessly accusing him despite lack of actual victim testimony look like hopeless lost biased assholes that would rather talk about Clintons 24/7 than address named culprits. Like lets hear about her emails for four more years instead of the current actions of sitting representatives or efforts of people like Alan Dershowitz, running public defense of Trump's inner circle. Including his involvement in writing the foreword for Muller's report published on Amazon well before the actual report was put out.
    - jakeogh 7y ago
      Skippy's email is worth reading. As is the never mentioned instagram account. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37543 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37543
    - cwkoss 7y ago
      This isn't a situation for partisan tribalism. Everyone with connections to Epstein should be investigated by the FBI. Also, >Don't forget shooting firearms in pizza parlors You mean the guy who fired a single shot to open a locked closet door because he thought children were trapped behind it . That was idiotic, but not an act of terrorism or motivated violence.
      - jacquesm 7y ago
        If firing a gun at anything, especially a chunk of metal, in a Pizza Parlor with people in it isn't motivated violence then what is? Does the word 'ricochet' mean anything to you?

by cwkoss 7y ago

Usernamed000 7y ago

Pizzagate's main propagandist was a Trump supporter who is in court with Jeffery Epstein's ex-lawyer Alan Dershowitz siding against Epstein's victims. That supporter, Mike Cernovich, rallied gullible MAGA fanatics around this conspiracy leading to a gunman storming a pizza place looking for a non-existent child sex dungeon. For whatever reason you are hear trying to give it credit when really it was a deflection campaign. Cernovich didn't detail his work with Alan Dershowitz in court as much as he promoted outright conspiracy theories to followers known to be violent. These people want you to believe Epstein's accusers but not when it comes to their claims about Trump or Dershowitz. If the accusers are to be believed then their claims exonerate Clinton while rope Dershowitz and Trump in being involved with the child sex trafficking centered around Mar-a-Lago.

cwkoss 7y ago
Pizzagate was an online popular movement that raised suspicion against numerous political figures on both sides of the aisle. I think you're giving Cernovich way too much credit here. Many right-wing personalities latched onto pizzagate because Bill Clinton flew on the "Lolita Express" many times, sometimes without secret service, and this made HRC look bad. Cernovich is a publicity troll: he latched on because it was self serving. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a 'topic sliding' agent being used intentionally. A lack of accusers pointing the finger at Clinton does not exonerate him. But I agree, from what I've read, it seems that Dershowitz and Trump both had involvement - at minimum they had prior knowledge of Epstein's crimes.
- Usernamed000 7y ago
  >Pizzagate was an online popular movement that raised suspicion against numerous political figures on both sides of the aisle. Don't forget shooting firearms in pizza parlors based on the efforts of people explicitly biased towards Trump. Why bother trying to make the conspiracy theory look balanced when it was all about shrieking at Clintons and deep state democrats. >Cernovich is a publicity troll He is in court with Dershowitz, his involvement and apparent pro-rape statements along with biases towards Trump has resulted in the victim expressing fear over his propagandist tendencies and his involvement in the court case in general. That is more than publicity trolling. >A lack of accusers pointing the finger at Clinton does not exonerate him. No it just leaves people relentlessly accusing him despite lack of actual victim testimony look like hopeless lost biased assholes that would rather talk about Clintons 24/7 than address named culprits. Like lets hear about her emails for four more years instead of the current actions of sitting representatives or efforts of people like Alan Dershowitz, running public defense of Trump's inner circle. Including his involvement in writing the foreword for Muller's report published on Amazon well before the actual report was put out.
  - jakeogh 7y ago
    Skippy's email is worth reading. As is the never mentioned instagram account. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37543 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37543
  - cwkoss 7y ago
    This isn't a situation for partisan tribalism. Everyone with connections to Epstein should be investigated by the FBI. Also, >Don't forget shooting firearms in pizza parlors You mean the guy who fired a single shot to open a locked closet door because he thought children were trapped behind it . That was idiotic, but not an act of terrorism or motivated violence.
    - jacquesm 7y ago
      If firing a gun at anything, especially a chunk of metal, in a Pizza Parlor with people in it isn't motivated violence then what is? Does the word 'ricochet' mean anything to you?