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I'm super careful about exposing Disney content to my kids. The especially pre-2000 era Disney content is absolutely damaging and well documented in the academi

I'm super careful about exposing Disney content to my kids. The especially pre-2000 era Disney content is absolutely damaging and well documented in the academic community for that. Disney content gets created to increasing shareholder value, not for the long term well-being of your child. This means anything that can get kids addicted on easy entertainment sudar and spend more money on toys, books, trips is a good thing. In addition, I've become very averse to starting subscriptions given how hard they are to get rid off and stay underutilized. I already have Netflix, Amazon Prime, Xfinity and now I also have to do individual networks and studios? This is one reason I don't think newspaper, magazine and more subscriptions are going to fly as long term business model. People will sonner or later realize that everything cost same as cup of coffee but we are just being forced to buy way too many cups.

wgjordan 7y ago
> The especially pre-2000 era Disney content is absolutely damaging and well documented in the academic community for that. I'd be interested in follow-up reading on the academic research you're gesturing towards here- do you have links or any specific names/citations that would point to the material you have in mind?
- sytelus 7y ago
  There was a good discussion (I can't get link) where an expert basically said that STEM enrollment for girls fell through the roof in last few decades is highly correlated with series of Disney movies that virtually every young girl was exposed to multiple times building their characters as "template" which deeply affected psycology of these children. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/24/princess-culture-is-bad-for-girls-now-theres-proof/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/24/... https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/disney-movies-to-not-show-kids-watch-frozen-robin-hood-cinderella-snow-white-why-a8590296.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/disney-movies... https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cdev.12569 https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cdev.12... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-011-9930-7 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-011-9930-7 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.933.5026&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.933... https://scholarworks.sjsu.edu/etd_theses/4094/ https://scholarworks.sjsu.edu/etd_theses/4094/ https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-017-0773-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-017-0773-8 http://www.hillpublisher.com/UpFile/201803/2018032844432581.pdf http://www.hillpublisher.com/UpFile/201803/2018032844432581.... https://firescholars.seu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1053&context=honors https://firescholars.seu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=105... https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/handle/11375/14406 https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/handle/11375/14406 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_The_Walt_Disney_Company#Disney_Consumer_Products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_The_Walt_Disney_C...
  - onlyrealcuzzo 7y ago
    How is post-2000 Disney better? Their movies are literally ads for their toys that you pay money to watch. Their toys are ads for their games. And their games are basically crack cocaine for kids.
    - sytelus 7y ago
      Most of us outside of entertainment business don't know this but Disney had been taking huge dissing from media as well as academics for princess movies. They have started change their ways and recent slew of movies like Moana focuses far less on being pretty and waiting for price to arrive putting female character as a confident leader. But you have to be very careful in chosing Disney content. As I said, ultimately entertainment company's goal is to hook you up with crack cocain, not your long term well being.
      - riffraff 7y ago
        It's not like Mulan was focused on being pretty and waiting for a prince either. Or Brave(not pre-2000, just not recent), or even Pocahontas. I feel if anything the "pretty is everything" comes from toys, rather then the movie plots themselves.
        aaronblohowiak 7y ago
        Little mermaid is amazingly bad
        nkozyra 7y ago
        Most of these are basic mad libs. Young, beautiful girl runs into conflict because ____. Foolishly and/or impulsively, she attempts to solve the problem herself by ___, but of course she is too weak to do so. Luckily, she is saved by the charming man, who resolves the problem by ____. Wrap it around details of a fairy tale and bam: $300M+ profit.
        rufusroflpunch 7y ago
- atlasunshrugged 7y ago
  It's in the same vein as the princess issues but Freakonomics did a solid podcast on this recently too http://freakonomics.com/podcast/princess/ http://freakonomics.com/podcast/princess/
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codesushi42 7y ago
Correlation is not causation. Everyone watched Disney movies as a kid. There's no study that supports post 2000 content does anything to improve things.
nabla9 7y ago
Little kids don't need new programming. Expose your kids to physical comedy trough silent black and white classics. Young children love them and watch them again and again. Adults love them too. Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd and many others.
- puranjay 7y ago
  With plenty of disclaimers to not imitate Buster Keaton, I hope
- nkrisc 7y ago
  Silent films are great even if a kid can't follow the title cards. Without dialogue, so much of the story is told through the action and expressions of the actors. While not silent, as a child I spent many a weekend morning watching The Three Stooges on our local PBS channel.
  - blaser-waffle 7y ago
    I wish there was a way to convey woo woo woo via emoji. Maybe some sort of Homer/Zoidberg gif?

wgjordan 7y ago

> The especially pre-2000 era Disney content is absolutely damaging and well documented in the academic community for that. I'd be interested in follow-up reading on the academic research you're gesturing towards here- do you have links or any specific names/citations that would point to the material you have in mind?

sytelus 7y ago
There was a good discussion (I can't get link) where an expert basically said that STEM enrollment for girls fell through the roof in last few decades is highly correlated with series of Disney movies that virtually every young girl was exposed to multiple times building their characters as "template" which deeply affected psycology of these children. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/24/princess-culture-is-bad-for-girls-now-theres-proof/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/24/... https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/disney-movies-to-not-show-kids-watch-frozen-robin-hood-cinderella-snow-white-why-a8590296.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/disney-movies... https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cdev.12569 https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cdev.12... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-011-9930-7 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-011-9930-7 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.933.5026&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.933... https://scholarworks.sjsu.edu/etd_theses/4094/ https://scholarworks.sjsu.edu/etd_theses/4094/ https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-017-0773-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-017-0773-8 http://www.hillpublisher.com/UpFile/201803/2018032844432581.pdf http://www.hillpublisher.com/UpFile/201803/2018032844432581.... https://firescholars.seu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1053&context=honors https://firescholars.seu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=105... https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/handle/11375/14406 https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/handle/11375/14406 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_The_Walt_Disney_Company#Disney_Consumer_Products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_The_Walt_Disney_C...
- onlyrealcuzzo 7y ago
  How is post-2000 Disney better? Their movies are literally ads for their toys that you pay money to watch. Their toys are ads for their games. And their games are basically crack cocaine for kids.
  - sytelus 7y ago
    Most of us outside of entertainment business don't know this but Disney had been taking huge dissing from media as well as academics for princess movies. They have started change their ways and recent slew of movies like Moana focuses far less on being pretty and waiting for price to arrive putting female character as a confident leader. But you have to be very careful in chosing Disney content. As I said, ultimately entertainment company's goal is to hook you up with crack cocain, not your long term well being.
    - riffraff 7y ago
      It's not like Mulan was focused on being pretty and waiting for a prince either. Or Brave(not pre-2000, just not recent), or even Pocahontas. I feel if anything the "pretty is everything" comes from toys, rather then the movie plots themselves.
      - aaronblohowiak 7y ago
        Little mermaid is amazingly bad
        nkozyra 7y ago
        Most of these are basic mad libs. Young, beautiful girl runs into conflict because ____. Foolishly and/or impulsively, she attempts to solve the problem herself by ___, but of course she is too weak to do so. Luckily, she is saved by the charming man, who resolves the problem by ____. Wrap it around details of a fairy tale and bam: $300M+ profit.
        rufusroflpunch 7y ago
atlasunshrugged 7y ago
It's in the same vein as the princess issues but Freakonomics did a solid podcast on this recently too http://freakonomics.com/podcast/princess/ http://freakonomics.com/podcast/princess/

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codesushi42 7y ago

Correlation is not causation. Everyone watched Disney movies as a kid. There's no study that supports post 2000 content does anything to improve things.

nabla9 7y ago

Little kids don't need new programming. Expose your kids to physical comedy trough silent black and white classics. Young children love them and watch them again and again. Adults love them too. Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd and many others.

puranjay 7y ago
With plenty of disclaimers to not imitate Buster Keaton, I hope
nkrisc 7y ago
Silent films are great even if a kid can't follow the title cards. Without dialogue, so much of the story is told through the action and expressions of the actors. While not silent, as a child I spent many a weekend morning watching The Three Stooges on our local PBS channel.
- blaser-waffle 7y ago
  I wish there was a way to convey woo woo woo via emoji. Maybe some sort of Homer/Zoidberg gif?