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So managers are supposed to be part time kindergarten nannies now? Is this really something that happens to an extent where educated adults cannot resolve such

So managers are supposed to be part time kindergarten nannies now? Is this really something that happens to an extent where educated adults cannot resolve such issues among themselves? This is again a situation that's just hard for me to imagine, from both sides.

munchbunny 7y ago
> So managers are supposed to be part time kindergarten nannies now? If their employees act like children, then yes. And I'm pretty sure we can all come up with examples of adults acting like children.
potta_coffee 7y ago
In my management experience, I've spent much more time dealing with people's stupid, childish bullshit than doing "real" work.
- munchbunny 7y ago
  That's in my management experience as well. You don't believe it's a real thing until it happens, and then you're still left wondering, "Seriously, am I really dealing with this shit?"
geofft 7y ago
Kindergarten nannies generally don't have the talent for teaching people how to not be jerks - they just put the jerks in timeout. Some eventually grow out of it. Some eventually get medication and/or therapy that addresses the issue. Some eventually respond to a lack of environmental stressors when they move out of their parents' house. And some simply stay that way. If you've hired someone in the latter category, yes, delivering business value requires you to deal with it. Firing them is an option, if that's really net positive for business value; sometimes it isn't. Seeing if you have the knack for teaching them is another, and likely highly profitable if you can do it. Handing down rigid rules is yet another option - not great, but quick and usually effective.
icelancer 7y ago
When the two adults are a man and a woman, yes, the company gets pretty scared pretty fast at the implications. Hence the rules.

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So managers are supposed to be part time kindergarten nannies now? Is this really something that happens to an extent where educated adults cannot resolve such

by bonoboTP 7y ago

munchbunny 7y ago
> So managers are supposed to be part time kindergarten nannies now? If their employees act like children, then yes. And I'm pretty sure we can all come up with examples of adults acting like children.
potta_coffee 7y ago
In my management experience, I've spent much more time dealing with people's stupid, childish bullshit than doing "real" work.
- munchbunny 7y ago
  That's in my management experience as well. You don't believe it's a real thing until it happens, and then you're still left wondering, "Seriously, am I really dealing with this shit?"
geofft 7y ago
Kindergarten nannies generally don't have the talent for teaching people how to not be jerks - they just put the jerks in timeout. Some eventually grow out of it. Some eventually get medication and/or therapy that addresses the issue. Some eventually respond to a lack of environmental stressors when they move out of their parents' house. And some simply stay that way. If you've hired someone in the latter category, yes, delivering business value requires you to deal with it. Firing them is an option, if that's really net positive for business value; sometimes it isn't. Seeing if you have the knack for teaching them is another, and likely highly profitable if you can do it. Handing down rigid rules is yet another option - not great, but quick and usually effective.
icelancer 7y ago
When the two adults are a man and a woman, yes, the company gets pretty scared pretty fast at the implications. Hence the rules.