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You are right, in a way. If they can't service the debts themselves, and they can't take out a loan to cover it, they have to go bankrupt. In reality, the pens
by undecisive 7y ago
You are right, in a way. If they can't service the debts themselves, and they can't take out a loan to cover it, they have to go bankrupt.
In reality, the pension provider probably should declare bankrupcy. In theory, FSCS / PPF should kick in and most people should still get some kind of pension out of it - albeit a lot less than they expected.
However... I don't know much about the bankrupcy procedure. Would administrators have to be called in? Would they then chase these customers anyway?
I don't see any way out of this cock-up of a law without the law itself being changed. It's bonkers.
[UPDATE]
Actually, it turns out that's almost exactly what they've done
https://www.plumbingpensions.co.uk/plumbing-pensions-to-close-on-30-june-2019-2/ https://www.plumbingpensions.co.uk/plumbing-pensions-to-clos...
By closing their doors and handing the pension pots on to other providers, anybody still a member is completely safe.
The problem is, the guy in the original post stopped being a member, which is what has triggered the legal problems.
If you want to see the government position on this, it's here:
https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7684 https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Sum...
... and they aren't willing to do anything about it, for fear that people might use any fallout mitigation to walk away from being responsible employers.
- throwaway5752 7y agoLook at the PBGC in the US and the rampant abuse (socialization of the cost of "mild" white collar crime - shortfalls that hit well after the fact due to purposefully but mildly underestimating future liability and overestimating future returns) for the other side to the outcome described in the article. Financial regulations are hard. It is like infosec, where you have well funded adversaries who are sometimes criminals.
- dantheman 7y agoLet's just look at US public pensions - the overestimation of future returns is insane.
- rtkwe 7y agoThe description makes it sound like they're not /actually/ underfunded just underfunded assuming they have to pay for someone else to take over fund and wrap up their fund right?