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The first computer I ever built had a Cyrix 133mhz CPU, and over time I tried out Celeron and Pentium CPUs up until current day which is an i5 3.2ghz from ~6 ye

by nickjj 7y ago

The first computer I ever built had a Cyrix 133mhz CPU, and over time I tried out Celeron and Pentium CPUs up until current day which is an i5 3.2ghz from ~6 years ago. I still don't feel the need to upgrade but when I do this might be the first time where I really consider an AMD CPU. Things are looking really really solid for them lately. I could totally see using one for an all purpose development, video editing / recording and gaming box to replace this i5 eventually.

shrewduser 7y ago
If you do lots of compiling, and run the typical suite of things a developer might (IDE, terminal apps, compilers, your backend, emulators, web browser) these kinds of cpu's can be a large benefit. for the average user, not as much.
- m0zg 7y ago
  >> for the average user, not as much Actually there are workloads on which they will heavily benefit the average user as well. Image processing and video editing come to mind especially. You may argue that few users do this on a PC nowadays, but that's mostly oversight by OS developers. MS should revive Movie Maker. I used it a lot 10 years ago when my kid was little. Apple already ships iPhotos and iMovie with every new mac, and both of them are pretty great for what they were designed for. Then there's also more and more 4K content on youtube by the day. My 5 year old iMac does spin up its fans quite a lot nowadays. I think it's also a good time to start moving some of the AI workloads to the edge as well. It's ridiculous that we have near instantaneous on-device speech recognition on phones now, but PCs still have to dial back home and incur perceptible latency. I want local speech recognition out of the box in Windows and MacOS (and ideally Linux as well), with automatic punctuation and robust to background noise.
  - anonymfus 7y ago
    Microsoft's video editor today is Photos app. But it's a very unconventional one: it has motion tracking but no layers.
    - m0zg 7y ago
      It also sucks pretty badly as a photo management app, especially when compared to Apple Photos.
- shakna 7y ago
  I'd say the average user spends most of their time inside a web browser, so they should see some benefit. Not nearly as much as a developer, but certainly something.
- mattferderer 7y ago
  In regards to compiling, I'm under the impression that "it depends" [1] I think the biggest perk is that AMD's new CPUs allow for faster hard drives which many people argue are more important.[2] This is my main reason for looking at one. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVAt4fz--bQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVAt4fz--bQ [2] - https://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/Tip_2F00_Trick_3A00_-Optimizing-ASPNET-20-Web-Project-Build-Performance-with-VS-2005 https://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/Tip_2F00_Trick_3A00_-Optimiz...
knd775 7y ago
I replaced my i7 4790k with an AMD Ryzen 5 3600 two weeks ago and am extremely happy with it so far. It was only $195!
- Macha 7y ago
  Replaced my i5-4670k with a ryzen 3900x a couple of months ago and demoted my old desktop to a home server. But now considering upgrading that server to a r5-3600 anyway, as I've been using VS code's remote feature for development on the train, and that would still benefit for faster compiles.
  - tracker1 7y ago
    If you aren't already, drop in an nvme drive (may need a pcie x4 adapter)... depending on what you are using, that would be a huge boost as well.
- tracker1 7y ago
  Same, my old system started acting up... was (and still) waiting for r9-3950X to drop.. but even the jump to a 3600 was significant to say the least. Will swap for 3950X on release, and should keep me for the next 5+ years. That said the 3600 is no slouch. Aside: I did a min-cycle upgrade to a good nvme drive (samsung 860) and a GTX 1080 when that video card came out, which was a pretty big bump on the old box.
  - nickjj 7y ago
    > I did a min-cycle upgrade to a good nvme drive (samsung 860) and a GTX 1080 when that video card came out, which was a pretty big bump on the old box. In your day to day, how big of a difference is that drive vs a SATA SSD you might have bought 5-6 years ago? I know going from a HDD to an SSD was a mind blowing experience but now things open so fast even on an old SATA SSD that I find it hard to imagine things can feel that much faster.
    - tracker1 7y ago
mantoto 7y ago
I hat to upgrade my fine working i7-2700k because of my new camera. Those raw files slowed down Lightroom to unusable in minutes.
tracker1 7y ago
When my older computer started acting up a couple months ago (i7-4790K), I made the jump to an X570 motherboard build, using an R5-3600 waiting for the R9-3950x to drop. Even the R5-3600 and going to 64gb ram (docker databases, development, etc) on day to day work has been a phenominal leap. Even when I'm just browsing it's much faster. The 3950X should make my bluray rip/encodes go so much faster as well. I have a stack of a few series waiting to even rip, the older i7 I was using was just about painful how long CPU encodes took, and GPU encodes were really crappy, or too large (h.265/hevc). I cannot state how much I've been looking forward to a 3950X (since this time last year actually). Which should do well for me for the next 5+ years.
- lostlogin 7y ago
  Intel has quicksync, which really helps with video transcoding. However it’s getting to the point where the extra cores might make it the switch worthwhile, and software transcoding is reportedly superior (not that I would be able to tell). The rumoured AMD Nuc offerings look promising too. Interesting times after so much stagnation.
  - philsnow 7y ago
    "amd" "nuc" seems a contradiction, "NUC" is an Intel trademark, right ? Assuming you're using "nuc" as a generic term, is there an AMD-specific search term I can use to find these rumors? I've been in the market recently for a nuc form-factor machine and I've wanted to go with AMD, but haven't found much.
    - petra 7y ago
      Maybe this is: http://www.fanlesstech.com/2019/10/exclusive-amds-nuc-is-coming-soon.html?m=1 http://www.fanlesstech.com/2019/10/exclusive-amds-nuc-is-com...
    - lostlogin 7y ago
      It’s definitely a contradiction - it’s just the Intel seem to have defined the category now. I’m struggling and can’t find the link I thought I’d found in the r/intelnuc sub. It was unreleased hardware at this stage though. It was more powerful than the below, but larger. http://linuxgizmos.com/worlds-first-amd-based-nuc-mini-pc-showcases-ryzen-r1000/ http://linuxgizmos.com/worlds-first-amd-based-nuc-mini-pc-sh...

by nickjj 7y ago

shrewduser 7y ago

If you do lots of compiling, and run the typical suite of things a developer might (IDE, terminal apps, compilers, your backend, emulators, web browser) these kinds of cpu's can be a large benefit. for the average user, not as much.

m0zg 7y ago
>> for the average user, not as much Actually there are workloads on which they will heavily benefit the average user as well. Image processing and video editing come to mind especially. You may argue that few users do this on a PC nowadays, but that's mostly oversight by OS developers. MS should revive Movie Maker. I used it a lot 10 years ago when my kid was little. Apple already ships iPhotos and iMovie with every new mac, and both of them are pretty great for what they were designed for. Then there's also more and more 4K content on youtube by the day. My 5 year old iMac does spin up its fans quite a lot nowadays. I think it's also a good time to start moving some of the AI workloads to the edge as well. It's ridiculous that we have near instantaneous on-device speech recognition on phones now, but PCs still have to dial back home and incur perceptible latency. I want local speech recognition out of the box in Windows and MacOS (and ideally Linux as well), with automatic punctuation and robust to background noise.
- anonymfus 7y ago
  Microsoft's video editor today is Photos app. But it's a very unconventional one: it has motion tracking but no layers.
  - m0zg 7y ago
    It also sucks pretty badly as a photo management app, especially when compared to Apple Photos.
shakna 7y ago
I'd say the average user spends most of their time inside a web browser, so they should see some benefit. Not nearly as much as a developer, but certainly something.
mattferderer 7y ago
In regards to compiling, I'm under the impression that "it depends" [1] I think the biggest perk is that AMD's new CPUs allow for faster hard drives which many people argue are more important.[2] This is my main reason for looking at one. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVAt4fz--bQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVAt4fz--bQ [2] - https://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/Tip_2F00_Trick_3A00_-Optimizing-ASPNET-20-Web-Project-Build-Performance-with-VS-2005 https://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/Tip_2F00_Trick_3A00_-Optimiz...

knd775 7y ago

I replaced my i7 4790k with an AMD Ryzen 5 3600 two weeks ago and am extremely happy with it so far. It was only $195!

Macha 7y ago
Replaced my i5-4670k with a ryzen 3900x a couple of months ago and demoted my old desktop to a home server. But now considering upgrading that server to a r5-3600 anyway, as I've been using VS code's remote feature for development on the train, and that would still benefit for faster compiles.
- tracker1 7y ago
  If you aren't already, drop in an nvme drive (may need a pcie x4 adapter)... depending on what you are using, that would be a huge boost as well.
tracker1 7y ago
Same, my old system started acting up... was (and still) waiting for r9-3950X to drop.. but even the jump to a 3600 was significant to say the least. Will swap for 3950X on release, and should keep me for the next 5+ years. That said the 3600 is no slouch. Aside: I did a min-cycle upgrade to a good nvme drive (samsung 860) and a GTX 1080 when that video card came out, which was a pretty big bump on the old box.
- nickjj 7y ago
  > I did a min-cycle upgrade to a good nvme drive (samsung 860) and a GTX 1080 when that video card came out, which was a pretty big bump on the old box. In your day to day, how big of a difference is that drive vs a SATA SSD you might have bought 5-6 years ago? I know going from a HDD to an SSD was a mind blowing experience but now things open so fast even on an old SATA SSD that I find it hard to imagine things can feel that much faster.
  - tracker1 7y ago

mantoto 7y ago

I hat to upgrade my fine working i7-2700k because of my new camera. Those raw files slowed down Lightroom to unusable in minutes.

tracker1 7y ago

When my older computer started acting up a couple months ago (i7-4790K), I made the jump to an X570 motherboard build, using an R5-3600 waiting for the R9-3950x to drop. Even the R5-3600 and going to 64gb ram (docker databases, development, etc) on day to day work has been a phenominal leap. Even when I'm just browsing it's much faster. The 3950X should make my bluray rip/encodes go so much faster as well. I have a stack of a few series waiting to even rip, the older i7 I was using was just about painful how long CPU encodes took, and GPU encodes were really crappy, or too large (h.265/hevc). I cannot state how much I've been looking forward to a 3950X (since this time last year actually). Which should do well for me for the next 5+ years.

lostlogin 7y ago
Intel has quicksync, which really helps with video transcoding. However it’s getting to the point where the extra cores might make it the switch worthwhile, and software transcoding is reportedly superior (not that I would be able to tell). The rumoured AMD Nuc offerings look promising too. Interesting times after so much stagnation.
- philsnow 7y ago
  "amd" "nuc" seems a contradiction, "NUC" is an Intel trademark, right ? Assuming you're using "nuc" as a generic term, is there an AMD-specific search term I can use to find these rumors? I've been in the market recently for a nuc form-factor machine and I've wanted to go with AMD, but haven't found much.
  - petra 7y ago
    Maybe this is: http://www.fanlesstech.com/2019/10/exclusive-amds-nuc-is-coming-soon.html?m=1 http://www.fanlesstech.com/2019/10/exclusive-amds-nuc-is-com...
  - lostlogin 7y ago
    It’s definitely a contradiction - it’s just the Intel seem to have defined the category now. I’m struggling and can’t find the link I thought I’d found in the r/intelnuc sub. It was unreleased hardware at this stage though. It was more powerful than the below, but larger. http://linuxgizmos.com/worlds-first-amd-based-nuc-mini-pc-showcases-ryzen-r1000/ http://linuxgizmos.com/worlds-first-amd-based-nuc-mini-pc-sh...