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We are two developers from Toronto who couldn't find a decent and cheap solution to monitor our kids/pets through the browser. We originally started this projec
by geoffchan23 7y ago
We are two developers from Toronto who couldn't find a decent and cheap solution to monitor our kids/pets through the browser. We originally started this project because we thought it would be a great opportunity to learn and build something that could be useful to us. As we dove deeper we realized that perhaps others would find it useful as well, so we turned it into a product.
We decided to take a web first approach rather than a mobile app first approach for a few reasons:
1) We are web developers so it's what we know
2) Web browsers are ubiquitous, meaning users could still access our app on mobile devices via browser or PWA (more on that later)
3) People spend the majority of their time on computers, whether for work, study, or leisure. So it makes sense to us to be able to easily monitor from your computer.
4) We think the web is cool (See reason 1)
Our goals were to:
1) Make it possible for anyone to sign up and create a security camera
2) Not require any hardware purchase
3) Not require any application install
4) Put our old devices to good use rather than end up in land fills!
We wanted to make UView available as a mobile app as well so we converted it into a mobile app by turning it into a PWA (Progressive Web App). You can install it on Android using the install button, however iOS users will have to select the “Add to home screen” button in the browser.
We would appreciate any comments and feedback!
- amiguel 7y agoYou guys are using webRTC for the communication between clients and server ?
- geoffchan23 7y agoWe sure are! We are using WebRTC in order to make it accessible on a large number of devices, but we are not using a public STUN/TURN server in order to keep our platform as secure as possible.
- fyp 7y agoI have only played with webrtc before, but what is the problem with public stun and turn?
- 0xdeadbeefbabe 7y agoI was going to say there aren't any, but here is a list: https://gist.github.com/sagivo/3a4b2f2c7ac6e1b5267c2f1f59ac6c6b https://gist.github.com/sagivo/3a4b2f2c7ac6e1b5267c2f1f59ac6...
- geoffchan23 7y agoThanks for posting this :)
- geoffchan23 7y agoThere is no real problem with using a public STUN server. We are using our own STUN/TURN server just to ensure reliability and up time.
- SomaticPirate 7y agoWhat kind of a stack are you running WebRTC on?
- geoffchan23 7y agoWe're using React for our client app and bridging the connection using websockets.
- bluetwo 7y agoI am very curious about this approach. What kind of hardware/software. How much of a learning curve for the two of you as already-web developers?
- pgt 7y agoNice job! Some feedback: 1. Ditch the two pulsing animations. I tried to click on the pulsing animation top-left and nothing happened. 2. The logo is hard to read. Consider simplifying your logo, but keeping the flashing red record icon on home page. 3. Keep content above the field. I didn't know I could scroll. 4. Don't make me sign up to try it. Why can't it show my webcam feed on the home page? At least defer sign up after you've given me a link that will let me broadcast my feed, then I can sign up on my phone. 5. The flashing recording icon is distracting after the initial "I get it," e.g. on the register page. 6. Be more up-front about T&C on your access to the feed. 7. Nowhere on the site does it say, "Why do I need this?" Said what you said in your post here on your website. "Hey, I'm Geoff. I wanted to keep an eye on my kids & my pets, so I made uView to save money on a camera, now you can save too! Here, give it a try: [Request Webcam Permission]" 8. Hard to read the features with the pulsing thing. 9. The weight of multiple call to actions conflict: Register, Login and "Try Free Now" all feel equally heavy. 10. Hard to read centered text on privacy policy: https://www.uview.io/privacy https://www.uview.io/privacy - also, put Privacy as a main nav link. 11. Consider making it free for 5 minutes, then you have to keep clicking to refresh. Or, an ad-driven business model where you show highly-relevant ads overlaid in the feed, since you know the person using it is interested in security. Good luck! edit: @dang, pleeease can we get Markdown-style list formatting? :)
- geoffchan23 7y agoGreat feedback, thanks! Appreciate you taking the time to write all of that up :)
- excalibur 7y ago> 4. Don't make me sign up to try it. Why can't it show my webcam feed on the home page? I would actually recommend against that. If the user gets prompted for camera access the moment they reach your webpage, it will turn most people off immediately. They need to click "yes I want to try this" before they get the security prompt, it needs to be asking for permission to do something THEY initiated.
- gffrd 7y ago
- gnicholas 7y agoWhere does the data travel? That is, I have an IP camera that still works if my internet goes down because I access it over my local network. Would the same be true here?
- geoffchan23 7y agoNo, we rely on an internet connection to stream video. Our application uses WebRTC to make a connection from one client (browser) to another. This is a two-way encrypted connection between the clients which allows them to stream video and audio over the internet.
- gwbas1c 7y agoI pay about $5 a month for my Google Nest doorbell, which also just happens to be a security camera. It's kind of cool that I can repurpose an old laptop or tablet as a security camera; but if I'm really serious about a security camera, I'll go out and buy a dedicated camera that's smaller and comes with a mount, and similar priced monthly fee.
- mfkp 7y ago$5/month/camera for Nest, vs $5/month for unlimited cameras. But of course Nest has a lot more features, 24/7 video archiving, tagging, etc.
- geoffchan23 7y agoWe launched UView with features that we felt would make it competitive with what is currently out there. We also don't plan to stop adding new and cool features. Unlimited cameras and being able to view multiple cameras on one screen is definitely something that we felt was a big plus and differentiator.
- Causality1 7y agoI'm going to be perfectly honest, I was much more excited when I thought this was a free framework that connected a browser client to another browser and only used the accounts for authentication. Many of the low cost IP security cameras on sites like Amazon use the cost of the camera to subsidize unlimited streaming. I have to say that business model appeals to me much more than an ongoing expense to use hardware I already own.
- Humdeee 7y agoNitpick: grammar error in your features section. > Get notified when something movement is detected on your video feed.
- incompatible 7y agoSince we are nitpicking, the title is also bad. The device I'm using to write this comment has a browser, but you'll never turn it into a security camera, since it doesn't have a camera.
- chimi 7y agoIf any browser can be a camera, why do you require me to register to try it out? I'm not ready to give you my personal details. You say below privacy is your primary concern, but you require us to give up our privacy just to try it out.
- kijin 7y agoI guess they could do without the registration part if the demo only involved streaming your own video back to the same device. But the primary use case seems to be streaming from one private device to another (not broadcasting to the world), and for that they need a way to determine which devices are allowed to access which streams. In most web frameworks, accepting signups and associating sessions with user accounts is the safest and easiest way to achieve this.
- throwaway35784 7y agoOr start the camera on the current device, show a code, enter that code on another viewing device.
- sandGorgon 7y agoHere's a suggestion for android. Instead of a PWA...make it a TWA. It's the same code from your end, but it gets packaged as a mobile app. To see an example , install "Google Maps Go" on play store
- geoffchan23 7y agoFirst I've heard of TWA... thanks for the suggestion! We'll definitely be exploring this.