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> Look how now Microsoft has become such a champion for open-source. to be fair, they didn't just doctor history, they actually changed their ways.

justinclift 7y ago
Let me know when telemetry in Windows can meaningfully be turned off fully, and permanently. Everything else they've done is pretty much PR management.
- dvfjsdhgfv 7y ago
  I don't understand why you're being downvoted. Yes, there are valid technical reasons to use telemetry, but the tricks Microsoft is playing to get these data against the wishes of their users can't be considered fair.
  - mixmastamyk 7y ago
    It’s part of the campaign.
Jedi72 7y ago
Am I out of the loop, what have Microsoft done to support open-source? Made linux containers easy to use on Azure? Wrote a code editor so that they extend and extinguish developer mindshare and get them onto Azure? Im being serious, what have MS actually done to claim they have supported open-source (and of course, open-source != free software)
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  They’ve stopped being an arch enemy and twirling their mustache so often.
- vezycash 7y ago
  They are one of the largest contributors to linux, donate $500k annually to Linux foundation (since 2016. Google joined in 2018), VS code, .net is open source to large degree, typescript is open source. Here's a list of their open source projects. https://opensource.microsoft.com/?sort=Stars&keyword=&tag= https://opensource.microsoft.com/?sort=Stars&keyword=&tag= (Microsoft may be the world's largest open source contributor https://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsoft-may-be-the-worlds-largest-open-source-contributor-but-developers-dont-yet-care https://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsoft-may-be-the-wo...) (Microsoft becomes 5th largest contributor to linux core https://www.ukfast.co.uk/microsoft-news/impressive-microsoft-contribution-to-linux-development.html https://www.ukfast.co.uk/microsoft-news/impressive-microsoft...)
  - justinclift 7y ago
    Having projects as OSS is just plain sensible as in the majority of cases it's a better development approach then the proprietary ones. That MS has made some projects OSS is just recognition they needed to up their game or be left behind. It in no way means they're suddenly "good guys" (etc). When their actions are those of "good guys", then perhaps they could be start to be viewed as such.
    - vezycash 7y ago
      >It in no way means they're suddenly "good guys" (etc). Irrelevant to the topic at hand >Am I out of the loop, what have Microsoft done to support open-source? That's what I responded to.
      - justinclift 7y ago
        No worries. :)
  - jinzo 7y ago
    The Linux kernel contributions link doesen't have a year, so I don't know if something changed. But the last time I checked this, they were "top" contributor for one quarter/some time because they basicly dumped all of their HyperV support into the kernel and after that they disappeared from the kernel contributors lists almost compleately. A quick google shows the latest Linux Kernel report by Linux Foundation from 2017[1] with the numbers, and they are not even there. It could be that some Microsoft employees are doing work on the kernel without attribution back to Microsoft, but generally speaking I think it's safe to say that the only contribution to the Linux Kernel from Microsoft was HyperV support quite some time ago. Not saying that they didn't change their ways, but they are a long way from proving that this is not another EEE cycle. Not to even mention "breaking even" on the damage they did directly (and deliberately) to open source effort. [1] - https://www.linuxfoundation.org/2017-linux-kernel-report-landing-page/ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/2017-linux-kernel-report-lan...

justinclift 7y ago

Let me know when telemetry in Windows can meaningfully be turned off fully, and permanently. Everything else they've done is pretty much PR management.

dvfjsdhgfv 7y ago
I don't understand why you're being downvoted. Yes, there are valid technical reasons to use telemetry, but the tricks Microsoft is playing to get these data against the wishes of their users can't be considered fair.
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  It’s part of the campaign.

Jedi72 7y ago

Am I out of the loop, what have Microsoft done to support open-source? Made linux containers easy to use on Azure? Wrote a code editor so that they extend and extinguish developer mindshare and get them onto Azure? Im being serious, what have MS actually done to claim they have supported open-source (and of course, open-source != free software)

mixmastamyk 7y ago
They’ve stopped being an arch enemy and twirling their mustache so often.
vezycash 7y ago
They are one of the largest contributors to linux, donate $500k annually to Linux foundation (since 2016. Google joined in 2018), VS code, .net is open source to large degree, typescript is open source. Here's a list of their open source projects. https://opensource.microsoft.com/?sort=Stars&keyword=&tag= https://opensource.microsoft.com/?sort=Stars&keyword=&tag= (Microsoft may be the world's largest open source contributor https://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsoft-may-be-the-worlds-largest-open-source-contributor-but-developers-dont-yet-care https://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsoft-may-be-the-wo...) (Microsoft becomes 5th largest contributor to linux core https://www.ukfast.co.uk/microsoft-news/impressive-microsoft-contribution-to-linux-development.html https://www.ukfast.co.uk/microsoft-news/impressive-microsoft...)
- justinclift 7y ago
  Having projects as OSS is just plain sensible as in the majority of cases it's a better development approach then the proprietary ones. That MS has made some projects OSS is just recognition they needed to up their game or be left behind. It in no way means they're suddenly "good guys" (etc). When their actions are those of "good guys", then perhaps they could be start to be viewed as such.
  - vezycash 7y ago
    >It in no way means they're suddenly "good guys" (etc). Irrelevant to the topic at hand >Am I out of the loop, what have Microsoft done to support open-source? That's what I responded to.
    - justinclift 7y ago
      No worries. :)
- jinzo 7y ago
  The Linux kernel contributions link doesen't have a year, so I don't know if something changed. But the last time I checked this, they were "top" contributor for one quarter/some time because they basicly dumped all of their HyperV support into the kernel and after that they disappeared from the kernel contributors lists almost compleately. A quick google shows the latest Linux Kernel report by Linux Foundation from 2017[1] with the numbers, and they are not even there. It could be that some Microsoft employees are doing work on the kernel without attribution back to Microsoft, but generally speaking I think it's safe to say that the only contribution to the Linux Kernel from Microsoft was HyperV support quite some time ago. Not saying that they didn't change their ways, but they are a long way from proving that this is not another EEE cycle. Not to even mention "breaking even" on the damage they did directly (and deliberately) to open source effort. [1] - https://www.linuxfoundation.org/2017-linux-kernel-report-landing-page/ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/2017-linux-kernel-report-lan...