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> The TAM wreck wouldn't have happened had the pilots flown the plane either. Pilots were actively engaged, made a minor mistake by setting wrong thrust lever
by mopsi 7y ago
> The TAM wreck wouldn't have happened had the pilots flown the plane either.
Pilots were actively engaged, made a minor mistake by setting wrong thrust lever position on one engine, which caused the aircraft to disregard any other input and assume the aircraft to be airborne even when it was on the ground, spoilers and auto-braking armed, brakes manually slammed and one engine in reverse.
> That was quite a bit more than a bumpy landing.
I was referring to the 2018 incident. Pilots did everything by the book, yet lost elevator control.
> Don't forget that in some of these cases, the autopilot didn't disconnect because the autopilot couldn't determine that one of the RAs had failed.
Again, completely irrelevant as it did not prevent pilots from taking full control of the aircraft.
The rest of the examples you've thrown at me are also all malfunctions and have nothing to do with A320 incorrectly determining its state and overriding correct input from pilots.
- inferiorhuman 7y agoI was referring to the 2018 incident. Pilots did everything by the book, yet lost elevator control. You mentioned LH2904 and TAM3054. In both cases the pilots fucked up. Full stop. Both flights were deemed pilot error by the respective investigative agencies. In the Lufthansa flight, they touched down too far down the runway. A320 incorrectly determining its state and overriding correct input from pilots The A320 pilots did not provide correct inputs.
- mopsi 7y ago> You mentioned LH2904 and TAM3054. This whole thread started from description of the 2018 SmartLynx accident. > The A320 pilots did not provide correct inputs. They did. Read the 2018 report. Simple touch-and-go's on a training day led to loss of elevator due to timing of a single light bounce after touchdown. > Both flights were deemed pilot error by the respective investigative agencies. Both reports also concluded that design of the aircraft contributed to the accident (instead of preventing) and recommended revising it. In addition, the 2018 SmartLynx crash showed that the A320 still can't tell whether it's on the ground or not. This time pilots did everything by the book, and found themselves locked out of elevator control due to poor design of A320 SEC computers.