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Although I'm pro-psychedelic I can warn against going this way as hallucinogens can screw the whole point by distracting you from what you are to find. What I

Although I'm pro-psychedelic I can warn against going this way as hallucinogens can screw the whole point by distracting you from what you are to find. What I can recommend (to whoever can do this legally) is to try doing a Buddhist meditation while on weed + amphetamine. Amphetamine can augment concentration and weed can intensify the experience. Chances are you will get it (satori or whatever you call it) and won't loose it ever. It can't be unseen and you only loose it temporarily every time you loose mindful concentration.

aedron 7y ago
Meditating on speed, there's a new one.
x220 7y ago
I don't think you should recommend that people just try amphetamine or cannabis, much less in tandem. There are serious side effects especially if you have an existing or latent mental illness. Cannabis can induce a psychotic episode in a nontrivial proportion of the population. Amphetamine can, among other things, induce mania in someone who has bipolar disorder. It's fine if you know the risks and want to do it anyways, but Jesus Christ, I don't think you should tell people to use speed because "it helps them concentrate".
- np_tedious 7y ago
  He's not offering official medical advice. He is sharing his anecdotal experience. I personally have zero interest in speed (meditating or otherwise), but I still enjoyed reading the comment.
  - x220 7y ago
    He is offering medical advice. He's telling people to use drugs. You can't get more medical than that. Again, it's fine to tell people to use a drug as long as you tell them the risks. It would be irresponsible for me to tell people to try fentanyl because "it's a lot of fun" without mentioning the serious risks.
- yariik 7y ago
  By the way, about > the risks It seems that, for some reason, people have a skewed perception of the risks that involve using psychoactive substances. For example, people who consider using a psychedelic drug (like LSD) for the first time, always tend to worry about losing control of their mind as a result of using the drug, and stuff like that. Yeah, sure there is a risk, but actually there could far more greater physiological risks. Like, your blood pressure or body temperature could get too high, etс.
proverbialbunny 7y ago
I don't know what kind of cannabis you're smoking but generally cannabis provides a distraction away from the present moment, which is the opposite of what you want. Amphetamines may help, but they also increase tension. One of the key and most important factors in meditation practice is tranquility which is the opposite of even subtle muscle tension. Magic mushrooms while not always ideal, induce a near identical brain state to deep meditation, so you get an idea of what is possible. I wouldn't say it hinders meditation, but it's not something that benefits meditation in the long run. Keep in mind many of the popular kinds of meditation (eg Mindfulness Meditation) you begin to naturally identify when you're distracted. If you can't do that sober (yet) that should be the goal, to the point you don't have to rely on chemicals to achieve it.
- qwerty456127 7y ago
  The moment in time does not matter, you can perfectly meditate within a lucid dream in the context of long time ago in a galaxy far away. The only thing important is you are to mindfully observe this, your attention must not be charmed by anything. Muscle tension does not matter as long as you don't let it distract you. The quality of attention is what matters. You won't have to sit for too long (in fact you don't even have to sit, shavasana is a perfect position if you manage to avoid falling asleep) and you will achieve the goal quickly if you manage to maintain perfect presence and awareness for just some minutes. Needless to say most of the people can't achieve this easily so they have to train for many years but I've found out attention and perception augmenting drugs can help a lot if you have proper motivation, guidance and your brain is ready for this.
- azhu 7y ago
  I'm not so sure it's quite that simple. I've got a prescription to amphetamine salts as well as a marijuana habit. And an injury rehab situation that requires I strengthen muscles I couldn't even consciously access and breathing engaging my diaphragm in a way I haven't since literal babyhood. Marijuana drastically amplifies the nervous system signal through to my muscles, but I find I have to focus, otherwise I sort of just melt. Amphetamine drastically amplifies the signal as well, but I find I can't let it go unless I focus on relaxing. It very much feels like the interaction that's happening is how my conscious cognition can access the nervous system wires running throughout the body. It feels very possible that some forms of meditation may not necessarily be about utter quiet, but rather such focus that noise cannot exist. Anecdotal stuff aside, many meditative practices require active engagement of muscles. Yoga is a big one.

aedron 7y ago

Meditating on speed, there's a new one.

x220 7y ago

I don't think you should recommend that people just try amphetamine or cannabis, much less in tandem. There are serious side effects especially if you have an existing or latent mental illness. Cannabis can induce a psychotic episode in a nontrivial proportion of the population. Amphetamine can, among other things, induce mania in someone who has bipolar disorder. It's fine if you know the risks and want to do it anyways, but Jesus Christ, I don't think you should tell people to use speed because "it helps them concentrate".

np_tedious 7y ago
He's not offering official medical advice. He is sharing his anecdotal experience. I personally have zero interest in speed (meditating or otherwise), but I still enjoyed reading the comment.
- x220 7y ago
  He is offering medical advice. He's telling people to use drugs. You can't get more medical than that. Again, it's fine to tell people to use a drug as long as you tell them the risks. It would be irresponsible for me to tell people to try fentanyl because "it's a lot of fun" without mentioning the serious risks.
yariik 7y ago
By the way, about > the risks It seems that, for some reason, people have a skewed perception of the risks that involve using psychoactive substances. For example, people who consider using a psychedelic drug (like LSD) for the first time, always tend to worry about losing control of their mind as a result of using the drug, and stuff like that. Yeah, sure there is a risk, but actually there could far more greater physiological risks. Like, your blood pressure or body temperature could get too high, etс.

proverbialbunny 7y ago

I don't know what kind of cannabis you're smoking but generally cannabis provides a distraction away from the present moment, which is the opposite of what you want. Amphetamines may help, but they also increase tension. One of the key and most important factors in meditation practice is tranquility which is the opposite of even subtle muscle tension. Magic mushrooms while not always ideal, induce a near identical brain state to deep meditation, so you get an idea of what is possible. I wouldn't say it hinders meditation, but it's not something that benefits meditation in the long run. Keep in mind many of the popular kinds of meditation (eg Mindfulness Meditation) you begin to naturally identify when you're distracted. If you can't do that sober (yet) that should be the goal, to the point you don't have to rely on chemicals to achieve it.

qwerty456127 7y ago
The moment in time does not matter, you can perfectly meditate within a lucid dream in the context of long time ago in a galaxy far away. The only thing important is you are to mindfully observe this, your attention must not be charmed by anything. Muscle tension does not matter as long as you don't let it distract you. The quality of attention is what matters. You won't have to sit for too long (in fact you don't even have to sit, shavasana is a perfect position if you manage to avoid falling asleep) and you will achieve the goal quickly if you manage to maintain perfect presence and awareness for just some minutes. Needless to say most of the people can't achieve this easily so they have to train for many years but I've found out attention and perception augmenting drugs can help a lot if you have proper motivation, guidance and your brain is ready for this.
azhu 7y ago
I'm not so sure it's quite that simple. I've got a prescription to amphetamine salts as well as a marijuana habit. And an injury rehab situation that requires I strengthen muscles I couldn't even consciously access and breathing engaging my diaphragm in a way I haven't since literal babyhood. Marijuana drastically amplifies the nervous system signal through to my muscles, but I find I have to focus, otherwise I sort of just melt. Amphetamine drastically amplifies the signal as well, but I find I can't let it go unless I focus on relaxing. It very much feels like the interaction that's happening is how my conscious cognition can access the nervous system wires running throughout the body. It feels very possible that some forms of meditation may not necessarily be about utter quiet, but rather such focus that noise cannot exist. Anecdotal stuff aside, many meditative practices require active engagement of muscles. Yoga is a big one.