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But all humans of sufficient ability (except those with extreme mental handicap) have innate means of production. Even those who have lost use of their limbs ha

But all humans of sufficient ability (except those with extreme mental handicap) have innate means of production. Even those who have lost use of their limbs have an innate means of production via their minds in the form of intellectual property. Honestly, even many with mental disability but physically capable are capable of producing value from relatively little.

Klinky 7y ago
Your bar is too low if you think that things are okay because "you can always become a starving artist".
- tathougies 7y ago
  No need to starve. Just make something people want. You can do ghostwriting or content writing with few materials. You can become a personal assistant if you can answer a phone. You can, with labor, and ready materials(garbage for example) make a lot of things people want
- taneq 7y ago
  More like “you can get a job and use the money you earn to buy tools.”
  - Klinky 7y ago
    Unless the job you get doesn't provide enough money to buy these tools, or there is a general lack of labor opportunities. This is a reality for a large portion of the current population. So it's not an innate ability to create value really that matters, it's the ability to navigate a system with many gatekeepers who have entrenched interests, and where not everyone is starting from the same spot, but we should pretend they are, and pretend that all wealth accumulated is justified. Let's not question the means to that wealth or its ramifications on society as a whole.
    - tathougies 7y ago
      There's tons of labor opportunities. Most people want someone else to find some for them rather than searching themselves. And then they want to complain about how they're being exploited.
    - taneq 7y ago
      No, you can always start from scratch and make your own tools, invent your own techniques and products, etc. What you're seeing is that it's much much easier to get things if you work as part of the economy than if you go it alone. This is because the economy is already bootstrapped, through the work of countless millions of people who came before you. Nothing's stopping you from doing it yourself except for the fact that you don't want to because it's much harder to make things yourself than to get a job and then buy things.

Klinky 7y ago

Your bar is too low if you think that things are okay because "you can always become a starving artist".

tathougies 7y ago
No need to starve. Just make something people want. You can do ghostwriting or content writing with few materials. You can become a personal assistant if you can answer a phone. You can, with labor, and ready materials(garbage for example) make a lot of things people want
taneq 7y ago
More like “you can get a job and use the money you earn to buy tools.”
- Klinky 7y ago
  Unless the job you get doesn't provide enough money to buy these tools, or there is a general lack of labor opportunities. This is a reality for a large portion of the current population. So it's not an innate ability to create value really that matters, it's the ability to navigate a system with many gatekeepers who have entrenched interests, and where not everyone is starting from the same spot, but we should pretend they are, and pretend that all wealth accumulated is justified. Let's not question the means to that wealth or its ramifications on society as a whole.
  - tathougies 7y ago
    There's tons of labor opportunities. Most people want someone else to find some for them rather than searching themselves. And then they want to complain about how they're being exploited.
  - taneq 7y ago
    No, you can always start from scratch and make your own tools, invent your own techniques and products, etc. What you're seeing is that it's much much easier to get things if you work as part of the economy than if you go it alone. This is because the economy is already bootstrapped, through the work of countless millions of people who came before you. Nothing's stopping you from doing it yourself except for the fact that you don't want to because it's much harder to make things yourself than to get a job and then buy things.