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Are we hearing "Quit" from people in the Bay Area and other hot tech spots where employees are in very high demand and everyone else with a more pessimistic vie

Are we hearing "Quit" from people in the Bay Area and other hot tech spots where employees are in very high demand and everyone else with a more pessimistic view is in regions where there is a surplus of devs?? If you experience that type of treatment in Seattle, NYC, SF, etc you should quit immediately. That is not the norm and you don't have to put up with it. For everyone else, maybe remote gigs? People are killing each other for great devs in the biggest tech markets and most companies know they have to take care of employee happiness and culture to be competitive in hiring.

commandlinefan 7y ago
> People are killing each other for great devs Well, if that’s true, there’s only one conclusion that the abused/unappreciated can draw: they (we) must not be that great.
- imesh 7y ago
  It's a hard thing to admit on an anonymous forum but I have never been a great dev. Just good enough to never get fired. Over half the developers I have worked with are more capable than me. The trick is to get them to think I'm a great dev during the interview stage.
  - wnkrshm 7y ago
    How did you pull that off?
  - commandlinefan 7y ago
    > I have never been a great dev Well, here’s the thing about that: if I measure myself against the expectations that are being put on me, I’m orders of magnitude short. Compared to the expectations put on everybody who carries the title “programmer”, I’m not even qualified to be in the same room as one. But who’s setting those expectations? Not other programmers. Certainly not anybody who could walk over, roll up their sleeves and say, “See? Here’s how easy it is. Just do it like that next time.” No, these expectations come from “project management professionals” who cringe at the thought of typing a formula in to Excel. These expectations come from people who attended a two-week seminar on managing programmer “resources” and whose sole contribution to the practice of developing software is asking “are you done yet? Why not? Are you the one who’s stupid, or is it somebody else who’s stupid?” > half the developers I have worked with are more capable than me Really, though, how do you measure that? If you have the self-awareness and humility to consider that it’s possible that somebody might be better than you, you also have the introspective capability to improve - which makes you better than a lot of the people out there.

commandlinefan 7y ago

> People are killing each other for great devs Well, if that’s true, there’s only one conclusion that the abused/unappreciated can draw: they (we) must not be that great.

imesh 7y ago
It's a hard thing to admit on an anonymous forum but I have never been a great dev. Just good enough to never get fired. Over half the developers I have worked with are more capable than me. The trick is to get them to think I'm a great dev during the interview stage.
- wnkrshm 7y ago
  How did you pull that off?
- commandlinefan 7y ago
  > I have never been a great dev Well, here’s the thing about that: if I measure myself against the expectations that are being put on me, I’m orders of magnitude short. Compared to the expectations put on everybody who carries the title “programmer”, I’m not even qualified to be in the same room as one. But who’s setting those expectations? Not other programmers. Certainly not anybody who could walk over, roll up their sleeves and say, “See? Here’s how easy it is. Just do it like that next time.” No, these expectations come from “project management professionals” who cringe at the thought of typing a formula in to Excel. These expectations come from people who attended a two-week seminar on managing programmer “resources” and whose sole contribution to the practice of developing software is asking “are you done yet? Why not? Are you the one who’s stupid, or is it somebody else who’s stupid?” > half the developers I have worked with are more capable than me Really, though, how do you measure that? If you have the self-awareness and humility to consider that it’s possible that somebody might be better than you, you also have the introspective capability to improve - which makes you better than a lot of the people out there.