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Right, You find a way to get a car. If you can't or don't want to then you have to figure out yourself.

by matz1 7y ago

romwell 7y ago
>Right, You find a way to get a car. If you can't or don't want to then you have to figure out yourself. Right, because screw poor, disabled, elderly, children, international students (most of whom don't drive when they arrive here), and so on. You know what, fine. The way pedestrians will "figure it out themselves" is by simply banning cars from cities, because, apparently, there can be no compromise. As your response indicates, asking the drivers to go slow and look out for people in the suburbs is apparently too much. (I guess you also oppose spending money on constructing sidewalks, because why can't everyone get a car instead? – but that's beside the point of the argument). Saying "get a car, or GTFO" is the entitlement I was talking about.
- matz1 7y ago
  Likewise you are indirectly saying "screw the car driver", "just go slow", etc You can try to ban cars from cities but of course, I would not support it and I hope it be challenged. "Just go slow" is in itself an entitlement too.
  - romwell 7y ago
    My position: in cities, cars and pedestrian are sharing the environment that is predominantly hostile towards pedestrian (lack sidewalks and crossings), but are well-designed for cars. In exchange for getting the car-friendly infrastructure (instead of having speed bumps and 15mph speed limits), the drivers are asked to drive cautiously and attentively, and be mindful of pedestrians, who might not always cross the street in places that are convenient for drivers (because the infrastructure is so broken that they are forced to do this merely to get to places). When an accident happens, it is the pedestrian who will die. Driving is a privilege that comes with the responsibility to avoid this. Your position: nah. ---------------- Asking to go slow and pay attention to the road where pedestrians can be is not "entitlement", it's the law, it's the traffic rules, and it's your responsibility as a driver that you volunteer for in exchange for getting the privilege of driving. Anyway, "just go slow" is not comparable to "just stop being poor / unable to drive". I hope you can see the difference.
    - matz1 7y ago
      Yes cities are designed for cars, as it should be, at least from my perspective. It also the law for a pedestrian to not jaywalk, or walk on areas of a highway or road where pedestrian traffic is not permitted. And if its not the law then it should be the law. Anyway, I acknowledge that not all people will agree and I expect both side to fight for their cause. I just hope they don't win.

Right, You find a way to get a car. If you can't or don't want to then you have to figure out yourself.

by matz1 7y ago

Right, You find a way to get a car. If you can't or don't want to then you have to figure out yourself.

>Right, You find a way to get a car. If you can't or don't want to then you have to figure out yourself. Right, because screw poor, disabled, elderly, children, international students (most of whom don't drive when they arrive here), and so on. You know what, fine. The way pedestrians will "figure it out themselves" is by simply banning cars from cities, because, apparently, there can be no compromise. As your response indicates, asking the drivers to go slow and look out for people in the suburbs is apparently too much. (I guess you also oppose spending money on constructing sidewalks, because why can't everyone get a car instead? – but that's beside the point of the argument). Saying "get a car, or GTFO" is the entitlement I was talking about.

matz1 7y ago
Likewise you are indirectly saying "screw the car driver", "just go slow", etc You can try to ban cars from cities but of course, I would not support it and I hope it be challenged. "Just go slow" is in itself an entitlement too.
- romwell 7y ago
  My position: in cities, cars and pedestrian are sharing the environment that is predominantly hostile towards pedestrian (lack sidewalks and crossings), but are well-designed for cars. In exchange for getting the car-friendly infrastructure (instead of having speed bumps and 15mph speed limits), the drivers are asked to drive cautiously and attentively, and be mindful of pedestrians, who might not always cross the street in places that are convenient for drivers (because the infrastructure is so broken that they are forced to do this merely to get to places). When an accident happens, it is the pedestrian who will die. Driving is a privilege that comes with the responsibility to avoid this. Your position: nah. ---------------- Asking to go slow and pay attention to the road where pedestrians can be is not "entitlement", it's the law, it's the traffic rules, and it's your responsibility as a driver that you volunteer for in exchange for getting the privilege of driving. Anyway, "just go slow" is not comparable to "just stop being poor / unable to drive". I hope you can see the difference.
  - matz1 7y ago
    Yes cities are designed for cars, as it should be, at least from my perspective. It also the law for a pedestrian to not jaywalk, or walk on areas of a highway or road where pedestrian traffic is not permitted. And if its not the law then it should be the law. Anyway, I acknowledge that not all people will agree and I expect both side to fight for their cause. I just hope they don't win.