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A long history of terrorist attacks, e.g. bombing the hotel the prime minister was sleeping in at the time (1984). More recently there have been many van attack

A long history of terrorist attacks, e.g. bombing the hotel the prime minister was sleeping in at the time (1984). More recently there have been many van attacks mostly by Muslim extremists, and that's what the barriers are about

freeflight 7y ago
> mostly by Muslim extremists Could you try to quantify that claim instead of just throwing it out there? Particularly in the context that ramming attacks have become rather common across the world in these past years [0], with plenty of them having a "non-terrorist" background [1]. [0] https://www.kent.ac.uk/news/society/18798/rise-in-vehicle-attacks-a-social-virus-spread-by-media-networks https://www.kent.ac.uk/news/society/18798/rise-in-vehicle-at... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack#List_of_non-terrorist_incidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack#List_of...
- avar 7y ago
  How are you tallying up your [1] source? 4/4 by my count meet the criteria GP pointed out, 3/4 if you insist on splitting out "revenge for military action in the middle-East" as having nothing to do with it, which is a stretch.
  - yorwba 7y ago
    There are more than 4 attacks on that list, so how are you tallying it up?
    - avar 7y ago
      Based on whether or not they happened in the UK, which is the subject of this discussion. Perhaps I missed some, but as far as I can tell only 4 of them happened in the UK.
- the-dude 7y ago
  From [0] : "For example, they depict how the 2017 Finsbury Park Mosque ramming attack was conducted by a man who had been motivated to act by the ISIS-inspired London Bridge ramming attack 16 days earlier. Subsequently, within six days of the Finsbury Park attack, two other similar ramming attacks against Muslims had occurred: one in North London and another in front of a Mosque in France." You see, nothing to do with Muslims! It must be social contagion instead.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - matt4077 7y ago
    Did you even read your own quote? 2/3 of the attacks it mentions were perpetrated against muslims. If you check the Wikipedia link above, the tally is 13 to 1 in 2018, as but one example.
    - yorwba 7y ago
      Islamists ramming people with cars inspiring other people to ram Muslims with cars does seem more like social contagion than anything to do with Muslims specifically.
      - the-dude 7y ago
        Before this 'research' was published I bet one would call that revenge.
- the-dude 7y ago
  I did some checking on your sources. That Wikipedia page is far from accurate. In the list of 'non-terrorist' incidents, there are 2014 Dijon and Nantes attack and 2017 Antwerp. There may be more.
  - freeflight 7y ago
    I never claimed it's accurate, nor is it likely to be complete, but it's a bit misleading to imply this inaccuracy only applies to the non-terrorist incidents, particularly in the context that there isn't really that "one" definition for terrorism [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism

freeflight 7y ago

> mostly by Muslim extremists Could you try to quantify that claim instead of just throwing it out there? Particularly in the context that ramming attacks have become rather common across the world in these past years [0], with plenty of them having a "non-terrorist" background [1]. [0] https://www.kent.ac.uk/news/society/18798/rise-in-vehicle-attacks-a-social-virus-spread-by-media-networks https://www.kent.ac.uk/news/society/18798/rise-in-vehicle-at... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack#List_of_non-terrorist_incidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack#List_of...

avar 7y ago
How are you tallying up your [1] source? 4/4 by my count meet the criteria GP pointed out, 3/4 if you insist on splitting out "revenge for military action in the middle-East" as having nothing to do with it, which is a stretch.
- yorwba 7y ago
  There are more than 4 attacks on that list, so how are you tallying it up?
  - avar 7y ago
    Based on whether or not they happened in the UK, which is the subject of this discussion. Perhaps I missed some, but as far as I can tell only 4 of them happened in the UK.
the-dude 7y ago
From [0] : "For example, they depict how the 2017 Finsbury Park Mosque ramming attack was conducted by a man who had been motivated to act by the ISIS-inspired London Bridge ramming attack 16 days earlier. Subsequently, within six days of the Finsbury Park attack, two other similar ramming attacks against Muslims had occurred: one in North London and another in front of a Mosque in France." You see, nothing to do with Muslims! It must be social contagion instead.
- deleted 7y ago
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- matt4077 7y ago
  Did you even read your own quote? 2/3 of the attacks it mentions were perpetrated against muslims. If you check the Wikipedia link above, the tally is 13 to 1 in 2018, as but one example.
  - yorwba 7y ago
    Islamists ramming people with cars inspiring other people to ram Muslims with cars does seem more like social contagion than anything to do with Muslims specifically.
    - the-dude 7y ago
      Before this 'research' was published I bet one would call that revenge.
the-dude 7y ago
I did some checking on your sources. That Wikipedia page is far from accurate. In the list of 'non-terrorist' incidents, there are 2014 Dijon and Nantes attack and 2017 Antwerp. There may be more.
- freeflight 7y ago
  I never claimed it's accurate, nor is it likely to be complete, but it's a bit misleading to imply this inaccuracy only applies to the non-terrorist incidents, particularly in the context that there isn't really that "one" definition for terrorism [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism