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I think what simonh is saying is that the employees knew what WeWork was. (They were the ones who created the spreadsheets and charts that outlined what was goi

I think what simonh is saying is that the employees knew what WeWork was. (They were the ones who created the spreadsheets and charts that outlined what was going on and presented it all to the investors in several separate acts of galling transparency.) The investors knew what WeWork was. All of that data was, again, transparent to the point of insult. Contractors may not have known, but certainly had access to the same information everyone else had and could have known had they actually reviewed the information. I think the guy is a piece of excrement, probably simonh thinks he's a piece of excrement as well. However, he did what he did out in the open. He just did it with jaw dropping temerity. No one participating in this whole affair can claim to have been victimized. He asked for all of them to consent to the insane, and they gave him what he wanted, hearty consent. It's a cautionary tale to me, of how greed can blind what are normally relatively intelligent people. Don't let greed blind you when evaluating startups.

JohnFen 7y ago
Yes, I understand what he was saying, and I also understand the sentiment. I disagree that all of that collateral damage should be written off as "they should have seen it coming", though (although I'm OK with that stance for the major investors). This part: > Contractors may not have known, but certainly had access to the same information everyone else had and could have known had they actually reviewed the information. is unreasonable, in my opinion, but perhaps I wasn't clear on what I meant by "contractors". I wasn't talking about IT contractors, but about all the rest -- the companies providing office supplies, janitorial services, and so forth.
- simonh 7y ago
  They got work they wouldn’t have otherwise had. I’ve been made redundant before, but don’t hold any grudge. I don’t expect a contract for life, if my employer can’t or doesn’t need to pay me anymore I don’t feel they owe me an eternal salary, I’m grateful for the work and compensation I got. This attitude that any employment is immoral if it’s not for life makes no sense to me.
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    > This attitude that any employment is immoral if it’s not for life makes no sense to me. Nothing I said expressed this attitude.

JohnFen 7y ago

Yes, I understand what he was saying, and I also understand the sentiment. I disagree that all of that collateral damage should be written off as "they should have seen it coming", though (although I'm OK with that stance for the major investors). This part: > Contractors may not have known, but certainly had access to the same information everyone else had and could have known had they actually reviewed the information. is unreasonable, in my opinion, but perhaps I wasn't clear on what I meant by "contractors". I wasn't talking about IT contractors, but about all the rest -- the companies providing office supplies, janitorial services, and so forth.

simonh 7y ago
They got work they wouldn’t have otherwise had. I’ve been made redundant before, but don’t hold any grudge. I don’t expect a contract for life, if my employer can’t or doesn’t need to pay me anymore I don’t feel they owe me an eternal salary, I’m grateful for the work and compensation I got. This attitude that any employment is immoral if it’s not for life makes no sense to me.
- JohnFen 7y ago
  > This attitude that any employment is immoral if it’s not for life makes no sense to me. Nothing I said expressed this attitude.