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> couldn't run away from Ms/Windows environment fast enough. My condolences about living with * spending ~20% of traffic for telemetry * bloatware/low qualit

> couldn't run away from Ms/Windows environment fast enough. My condolences about living with * spending ~20% of traffic for telemetry * bloatware/low quality updates * unexpected reboots after system upgrade * non-removable Sugar Bob game in Windows Pro(!) edition Sorry, but all this crap doesn't makes MS "good" in any sense.

jotm 7y ago
The updates are a bit ridiculous. I did a clean install, and like I used to do before, I installed all updates right away so I can take my mind off it for a while. But no, Windows 10 kept finding restart-worthy updates for a week. Seems to have stopped now. Is that normal? Telemetry can be blocked through a firewall.
- zeppelin101 7y ago
  That might be a decent approach. I went with blocking some Windows 10 functionality via the hosts file. Many months later, I wanted to download the new Windows Terminal from the Microsoft store and I just could not figure out why the MS store wasn't working properly. After hours and hours I vaguely remembered messing with the hosts file (probably via a Powershell script). I opened it and the evidence was plain to see. I removed all the non-default entries and MS store was working again. But I saw so many people suffering from the same problem on online forums. Really makes you think as to how many people ran some questionable script, made no backups, and had to reinstall the OS because they didn't know how to revert the changes.
wayneftw 7y ago
I have much longer lists of issues for Mac, Linux, Android, iOS and Chrome but I still use all of them because the benefits outweigh the problems. What platform is perfect?
- zeppelin101 7y ago
  Exactly my sentiments. Every time I use a different OS - any of those that you mentioned - I find tons of things to complain about that Windows does not suffer from. At the end of the day, most of these operating systems are awesome. But they each have different strengths and weaknesses.
stinos 7y ago
A couple of cherry picked examples also don't make them "bad" though. Not sure how cherry picked they are, but I seem to be able to counter all those points just from experiences on the machine I'm typing this on; 20% is easy if there's hardly any traffic, isn't it? No seriously, where does this come from? I've never seen this Sugar Bob thing you talk about, and it's also not on my machine currently. All in all, I don't see many of these and similar things people complain about. Any idea why? The reboots aren't exactly unexpected, are they? And I haven't had updates break things for me either so unsure about the quality. I have seen them fix things though. Then again, which OS is much better on all fronts? Still have to see it, and I tried/use a lot of them.
blahyawnblah 7y ago
Do you have a source for the 20% claim? In fairness the reboots after updates is kind of expected these days. I'm always surprised when I don't have to reboot. I don't have a Sugar Bob game on my pro edition.
- cptskippy 7y ago
  > I don't have a Sugar Bob game on my pro edition. I don't even know what that is.
  - joshuaissac 7y ago
    Candy Crush Saga, a game Windows 10 Home used to bundle with major upgrades.
cptskippy 7y ago
> spending ~20% of traffic for telemetry Maybe don't lie if you want to be taken seriously? I've got 6 different Windows 10 machines active on my home network at any given time and I'm blocking Microsoft Telemetry via Pi-Hole. Microsoft Telemetry doesn't even account for 20% of the blocked traffic. Pi-Hole is blocking about 10% of traffic overall.

jotm 7y ago

The updates are a bit ridiculous. I did a clean install, and like I used to do before, I installed all updates right away so I can take my mind off it for a while. But no, Windows 10 kept finding restart-worthy updates for a week. Seems to have stopped now. Is that normal? Telemetry can be blocked through a firewall.

zeppelin101 7y ago
That might be a decent approach. I went with blocking some Windows 10 functionality via the hosts file. Many months later, I wanted to download the new Windows Terminal from the Microsoft store and I just could not figure out why the MS store wasn't working properly. After hours and hours I vaguely remembered messing with the hosts file (probably via a Powershell script). I opened it and the evidence was plain to see. I removed all the non-default entries and MS store was working again. But I saw so many people suffering from the same problem on online forums. Really makes you think as to how many people ran some questionable script, made no backups, and had to reinstall the OS because they didn't know how to revert the changes.

wayneftw 7y ago

I have much longer lists of issues for Mac, Linux, Android, iOS and Chrome but I still use all of them because the benefits outweigh the problems. What platform is perfect?

zeppelin101 7y ago
Exactly my sentiments. Every time I use a different OS - any of those that you mentioned - I find tons of things to complain about that Windows does not suffer from. At the end of the day, most of these operating systems are awesome. But they each have different strengths and weaknesses.

stinos 7y ago

A couple of cherry picked examples also don't make them "bad" though. Not sure how cherry picked they are, but I seem to be able to counter all those points just from experiences on the machine I'm typing this on; 20% is easy if there's hardly any traffic, isn't it? No seriously, where does this come from? I've never seen this Sugar Bob thing you talk about, and it's also not on my machine currently. All in all, I don't see many of these and similar things people complain about. Any idea why? The reboots aren't exactly unexpected, are they? And I haven't had updates break things for me either so unsure about the quality. I have seen them fix things though. Then again, which OS is much better on all fronts? Still have to see it, and I tried/use a lot of them.

blahyawnblah 7y ago

Do you have a source for the 20% claim? In fairness the reboots after updates is kind of expected these days. I'm always surprised when I don't have to reboot. I don't have a Sugar Bob game on my pro edition.

cptskippy 7y ago
> I don't have a Sugar Bob game on my pro edition. I don't even know what that is.
- joshuaissac 7y ago
  Candy Crush Saga, a game Windows 10 Home used to bundle with major upgrades.

cptskippy 7y ago

> spending ~20% of traffic for telemetry Maybe don't lie if you want to be taken seriously? I've got 6 different Windows 10 machines active on my home network at any given time and I'm blocking Microsoft Telemetry via Pi-Hole. Microsoft Telemetry doesn't even account for 20% of the blocked traffic. Pi-Hole is blocking about 10% of traffic overall.