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Jaywalking was invented by the car industry, I wonder if they'll double down on it again: https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history https://www.v

Jaywalking was invented by the car industry, I wonder if they'll double down on it again: https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history

wongarsu 7y ago
Maybe works for Uber and GM, but in Europe jaywalking doesn't exist. If they want to sell cars here they will have to deal with being responsible for almost every pedestrian they hit, because that's the standard we already set for human drivers.
- skrause 7y ago
  > but in Europe jaywalking doesn't exist Europe is not a country and each European country has different laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking#Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking#Europe
  - wongarsu 7y ago
    But it is a somewhat homogeneous region with similar laws, as supported by that Wikipedia article: in general you can cross roads anywhere unless it's a motorway or you are within 100 meters of a designated crossing (any closer and the laws diverge on what's acceptable). That's just how we talk about the US treating things a certain way despite the different states having varying laws with countless exceptions and special cases.
    - Piskvorrr 7y ago
      In which case, this would have been a jaywalking infraction in many European countries, as a designated crossing is nearby. However, it is not the role of a driver (or their car) to serve death penalties for that.
      - josefx 7y ago
        According to wikipedia your nearby is 110 meters, so slightly out of the range for most European countries. She most likely used a set of crossing paths on the area between both halves of Mill Ave so she started even further south of it.
        masklinn 7y ago
        > your nearby is 110 meters, so slightly out of the range for most European countries. « Every » rather than « most », 100m seems to be the Eastern European limit and going down the list in western or northern Europe the limits seem far lower, usually 20 to 50. Furthermore pedestrians not following this often does not absolve drivers from any (let alone all) responsibility.
jakeogh 7y ago
Along with attempting to shift blame to the cloud, there are always suggestions which try to mitigate their inability to deal with sentient things with more rules. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20882763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20882763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20520124 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20520124
CodeWriter23 7y ago
In NYC and LA, pedestrians have the right of way, no matter where they are in the road. The pedestrian might be cited for jaywalking, but the motorist is liable for any injury to a pedestrian.

wongarsu 7y ago

Maybe works for Uber and GM, but in Europe jaywalking doesn't exist. If they want to sell cars here they will have to deal with being responsible for almost every pedestrian they hit, because that's the standard we already set for human drivers.

skrause 7y ago
> but in Europe jaywalking doesn't exist Europe is not a country and each European country has different laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking#Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking#Europe
- wongarsu 7y ago
  But it is a somewhat homogeneous region with similar laws, as supported by that Wikipedia article: in general you can cross roads anywhere unless it's a motorway or you are within 100 meters of a designated crossing (any closer and the laws diverge on what's acceptable). That's just how we talk about the US treating things a certain way despite the different states having varying laws with countless exceptions and special cases.
  - Piskvorrr 7y ago
    In which case, this would have been a jaywalking infraction in many European countries, as a designated crossing is nearby. However, it is not the role of a driver (or their car) to serve death penalties for that.
    - josefx 7y ago
      According to wikipedia your nearby is 110 meters, so slightly out of the range for most European countries. She most likely used a set of crossing paths on the area between both halves of Mill Ave so she started even further south of it.
      - masklinn 7y ago
        > your nearby is 110 meters, so slightly out of the range for most European countries. « Every » rather than « most », 100m seems to be the Eastern European limit and going down the list in western or northern Europe the limits seem far lower, usually 20 to 50. Furthermore pedestrians not following this often does not absolve drivers from any (let alone all) responsibility.

jakeogh 7y ago

Along with attempting to shift blame to the cloud, there are always suggestions which try to mitigate their inability to deal with sentient things with more rules. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20882763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20882763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20520124 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20520124

CodeWriter23 7y ago

In NYC and LA, pedestrians have the right of way, no matter where they are in the road. The pedestrian might be cited for jaywalking, but the motorist is liable for any injury to a pedestrian.