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I want to like this, but having no support for Firefox, no SLA during the preview[1] & being unable to figure out the pricing model[2] makes that very difficult

I want to like this, but having no support for Firefox, no SLA during the preview[1] & being unable to figure out the pricing model[2] makes that very difficult. [1] How safe are my projects and what guarantees do I get that my work won't be lost? [2] For cloud-hosted environments, each environment instance is billed based on the number of consumed “environment units”, which are calculated according to an environment’s instance size, the total time the environment is active (i.e. a user is connected to it via the browser-based editor or via a client such as Visual Studio Code) and the total lifetime of the environment (base units).

manigandham 7y ago
It's in preview. Firefox is coming: https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/vsonline/issues/34 https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/vsonline/issues/34 Check the prev discussion that has more details: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21442088 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21442088
- ecf 7y ago
  Can any light be shed on why Firefox support is lagging behind? Releases like this, even in the preview phase, hurt Firefox adoption because people will go to try it out, see it doesn’t work, and think “welp, that’s another website that won’t load. Might as well just switch to Google Chrome”.
  - jedieaston 7y ago
    Because VSCode is an electron app, meaning that it probably relies on Chromium-only features that they have to find workarounds for in Firefox before things like keyboard shortcuts work. Keyboard shortcuts are probably important to people that want to transition to this, so instead of saying "Firefox works, but not nearly as well as Chrome", they said "Firefox doesn't work, but we're working on it to make sure it works as well as Chrome". Also, the next major version of Windows will ship with a Chromium-based browser by default, so they probably didn't care about prioritizing it as much as making sure Chrome worked.
Voloskaya 7y ago
For 1/, You still can, and should, use git with a cloud IDE.
taude 7y ago
You source code is hosted in Github. I'd imagine the dev environment is ephemeral and is spun up, code edited, and then disappears until it's provisioned next.
- Someone1234 7y ago
  The source code isn't on Github. The VSCode source code is, this Visual Studio Online is not. The docs repo isn't the source code.
  - Voloskaya 7y ago
    He/she was talking about OP source code, not VSO source code.
    - Someone1234 7y ago
      It was vague when I replied, and has since been altered. It read "The source code" now it reads "You source code." PS - HK needs a version history/edited marker.
tasogare 7y ago
> Full-time development Standard €42.39 per month So, 2 years of developpement cost the price of a nice laptop, which you need anyway to access the cloud. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/visual-studio-online/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/visual-stu...
- dogma1138 7y ago
  This looks to be a very good solution to enterprise companies that want to hire remote contractors as it gives them a platform that is much cheaper and arguable more (easy to) secure than other solutions such as VDI and VPN. Once this is fully integrated with Azure and Office 365 it’s basically a one stop shop for outsourcing development work and if the pricing remains the same it’s also a very cheap one.
  - loriverkutya 7y ago
    You are missing one of the point of contracting: I'm the only one to decide, what kind of development environment I use and also, the kind of email/calendar/etc environment I use. And if it has anything to do with Office 365 I would not even poke it with a spiky stick covered in feces.
    - oldmanhorton 7y ago
      I believe s/he means large scale contracting like Accenture and overseas IT shops, not smaller scale one person contracting
      - dogma1138 7y ago
        It can be both that poster over estimates just how many people have the luxury of choosing who to contract for based on what tools they have to work with. In fact it seems to me very petty and unprofessional attitude in the first place. And it would also prevent them from working for any company in a regulated sector or any company that cares about security and information governance not to mention about productivity; I’ve seen plenty of contractors like this being kicked out after the 3 time they missed a meeting because hipstermail or stallmanmail couldn’t parse the WebEx links in the meeting invite, they couldn’t open a Visio diagram or worse we found they were trying to push code into private repos or using some online code beautification services... Unless you are working on tiny projects as a contractor you are going to be obligated to use what ever tools the client uses, and in fact adherence to the “company spirit” is often more expected from contractors than internal teams that can get some leeway through internal politics.

manigandham 7y ago

It's in preview. Firefox is coming: https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/vsonline/issues/34 https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/vsonline/issues/34 Check the prev discussion that has more details: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21442088 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21442088

ecf 7y ago
Can any light be shed on why Firefox support is lagging behind? Releases like this, even in the preview phase, hurt Firefox adoption because people will go to try it out, see it doesn’t work, and think “welp, that’s another website that won’t load. Might as well just switch to Google Chrome”.
- jedieaston 7y ago
  Because VSCode is an electron app, meaning that it probably relies on Chromium-only features that they have to find workarounds for in Firefox before things like keyboard shortcuts work. Keyboard shortcuts are probably important to people that want to transition to this, so instead of saying "Firefox works, but not nearly as well as Chrome", they said "Firefox doesn't work, but we're working on it to make sure it works as well as Chrome". Also, the next major version of Windows will ship with a Chromium-based browser by default, so they probably didn't care about prioritizing it as much as making sure Chrome worked.

Voloskaya 7y ago

For 1/, You still can, and should, use git with a cloud IDE.

taude 7y ago

You source code is hosted in Github. I'd imagine the dev environment is ephemeral and is spun up, code edited, and then disappears until it's provisioned next.

Someone1234 7y ago
The source code isn't on Github. The VSCode source code is, this Visual Studio Online is not. The docs repo isn't the source code.
- Voloskaya 7y ago
  He/she was talking about OP source code, not VSO source code.
  - Someone1234 7y ago
    It was vague when I replied, and has since been altered. It read "The source code" now it reads "You source code." PS - HK needs a version history/edited marker.

tasogare 7y ago

> Full-time development Standard €42.39 per month So, 2 years of developpement cost the price of a nice laptop, which you need anyway to access the cloud. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/visual-studio-online/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/visual-stu...

dogma1138 7y ago
This looks to be a very good solution to enterprise companies that want to hire remote contractors as it gives them a platform that is much cheaper and arguable more (easy to) secure than other solutions such as VDI and VPN. Once this is fully integrated with Azure and Office 365 it’s basically a one stop shop for outsourcing development work and if the pricing remains the same it’s also a very cheap one.
- loriverkutya 7y ago
  You are missing one of the point of contracting: I'm the only one to decide, what kind of development environment I use and also, the kind of email/calendar/etc environment I use. And if it has anything to do with Office 365 I would not even poke it with a spiky stick covered in feces.
  - oldmanhorton 7y ago
    I believe s/he means large scale contracting like Accenture and overseas IT shops, not smaller scale one person contracting
    - dogma1138 7y ago
      It can be both that poster over estimates just how many people have the luxury of choosing who to contract for based on what tools they have to work with. In fact it seems to me very petty and unprofessional attitude in the first place. And it would also prevent them from working for any company in a regulated sector or any company that cares about security and information governance not to mention about productivity; I’ve seen plenty of contractors like this being kicked out after the 3 time they missed a meeting because hipstermail or stallmanmail couldn’t parse the WebEx links in the meeting invite, they couldn’t open a Visio diagram or worse we found they were trying to push code into private repos or using some online code beautification services... Unless you are working on tiny projects as a contractor you are going to be obligated to use what ever tools the client uses, and in fact adherence to the “company spirit” is often more expected from contractors than internal teams that can get some leeway through internal politics.