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This sad for the Indian IT ecosystem, but the world has been evolving into a more protectionist place for a few years now, and the trend isn't going to stop. In

This sad for the Indian IT ecosystem, but the world has been evolving into a more protectionist place for a few years now, and the trend isn't going to stop. Indian outsourcing companies need to evolve into SaaS and cloud companies to compete globally. They are already doing this to some extent. That needs to accelerate. Sadly though, this is not going to help the vast majority of their employees, particularly middle-management folks, whose primary skill -- project management, won't be in very high demand, as the deep hierarchies of these companies are replaced by flatter structures more suited to product companies. They need to re-skill skill themselves. And that is going to take a huge toll on them financially.

Ygg2 7y ago
I worked with an Indian SaaS/outsourcing provider. Worst experience of my life. Imagine sending build artifacts to be deployed and finding extra files in them. Of course this was all undocumented and untracked, so it was a great exercise in decompilation.
paggle 7y ago
Also Indian IT companies are overstaffed with followers and understaffed with leaders. Even ICs in a good product company like Google or Apple are entirely capable of self-managing 90% of their work -- you only need to tell them something like "implement smooth scrolling on the iPad mini that matches the iPad Pro." They will come back and evaluate the problem and approaches and say that the current system calls don't support an exact match but that reducing to 30fps can get a match or the OS team can do additional work to expose a lower-level graphics primitive to make an exact match. You'll never get that from your typical Infosys grunt. The vast majority of the Indian engineers with that skill level are either employed in the US on H-1Bs or in India at the FAANG India offices.
- vermilingua 7y ago
  Nothing you said there suggests that this is an India specific problem. Paraphrasing: > good developers capable of self managing work at Google or Apple > the only Indian developers at that level work at FAANG It's almost like good engineers are attracted to the companies that can afford them, regardless of their nationality.
  - paggle 7y ago
    No, there are a lot of good Serbian developers for example but they all work in outsourcing since the FAANGs don't have offices there. So there are a lot of very talented Serbian devs who do contract work. But in India there is a robust export and domestic market for engineers and a HUGE services market so the services firms are mostly populated by crap talent. It is an India specific problem.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  > implement smooth scrolling on the iPad mini that matches the iPad Pro No iPad Mini ships with ProMotion hardware, FWIW.
iamsb 7y ago
One of the suggestions I keep making to prime ministers office is to open up lateral recruitment is government much more and deploy these people with mid management experience to tackle some of the issue in government delivery. Lot of these people have expertise in managing mid to large scale project, are far more professionally trained, experienced, with exposure to more developed economies. It will help Indian government a lot if it can leverage this talent pool effectively.

Ygg2 7y ago

I worked with an Indian SaaS/outsourcing provider. Worst experience of my life. Imagine sending build artifacts to be deployed and finding extra files in them. Of course this was all undocumented and untracked, so it was a great exercise in decompilation.

paggle 7y ago

Also Indian IT companies are overstaffed with followers and understaffed with leaders. Even ICs in a good product company like Google or Apple are entirely capable of self-managing 90% of their work -- you only need to tell them something like "implement smooth scrolling on the iPad mini that matches the iPad Pro." They will come back and evaluate the problem and approaches and say that the current system calls don't support an exact match but that reducing to 30fps can get a match or the OS team can do additional work to expose a lower-level graphics primitive to make an exact match. You'll never get that from your typical Infosys grunt. The vast majority of the Indian engineers with that skill level are either employed in the US on H-1Bs or in India at the FAANG India offices.

vermilingua 7y ago
Nothing you said there suggests that this is an India specific problem. Paraphrasing: > good developers capable of self managing work at Google or Apple > the only Indian developers at that level work at FAANG It's almost like good engineers are attracted to the companies that can afford them, regardless of their nationality.
- paggle 7y ago
  No, there are a lot of good Serbian developers for example but they all work in outsourcing since the FAANGs don't have offices there. So there are a lot of very talented Serbian devs who do contract work. But in India there is a robust export and domestic market for engineers and a HUGE services market so the services firms are mostly populated by crap talent. It is an India specific problem.
saagarjha 7y ago
> implement smooth scrolling on the iPad mini that matches the iPad Pro No iPad Mini ships with ProMotion hardware, FWIW.

iamsb 7y ago

One of the suggestions I keep making to prime ministers office is to open up lateral recruitment is government much more and deploy these people with mid management experience to tackle some of the issue in government delivery. Lot of these people have expertise in managing mid to large scale project, are far more professionally trained, experienced, with exposure to more developed economies. It will help Indian government a lot if it can leverage this talent pool effectively.