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>> [...] The FAA, however, said it could not substantiate that claim, because Boeing had indicated it was working on the issue at the time. > [...] I hope we c

>> [...] The FAA, however, said it could not substantiate that claim, because Boeing had indicated it was working on the issue at the time. > [...] I hope we can all agree that this is an embarrassingly obvious fox guarding this particular hen-house. I can imagine situations where I would not agree, to be honest. If a manager says, "There is a bug in this system here" and I say, "I'm investigating that problem and will get back to you", it would be a bit strange for the manager to call a halt to my investigation so that they could start a new one. Usually the manager would wait until my investigation is finished. If they were still not satisfied, then that's the time to intervene. In the same way, I would not expect the FAA to intervene on an issue if the manufacturer was already investigating it. They would wait until that investigation was finished. Sure, put a deadline on it, but it's pretty reasonable to say that you don't know where the issue stands because it's currently under review.

jMyles 7y ago
> If a manager says, "There is a bug in this system here" I think that your metaphor does a disservice to this whistleblower and the allegations that he's making. Better is to imagine a manager saying, "I have observed bugs being intentionally left in the codebase in order to cut cost. Senior managers are aware of this and have allowed it to continue." In that scenario, the matter of when to intervene is quite different I think.
simion314 7y ago
It depends, say if your investigation would find bugs that would cause you to be fired and fined then why should we trust you to investigate yourself? I think this is what is happening herewith Boeing, they are trying hard to cover the issues or if they can't hide them to reclassify them as not severe or patch them with some bad hack.
torgian 7y ago
In the meantime, people die, or have the potential to die. There's nothing preventing the FAA from proceeding with its own investigation, except for Boeing saying, "Nah, don't do that, we got our own thing going on here... btw, how's your bank account? Get that 250k yet?"
- kmlx 7y ago
  people always "have the potential to die" no matter what. i'd wait for the FAA before jumping to any conclusions, as unfashionable as this is in today's "speak first, think never" culture.
  - torgian 7y ago
    Then in this case, people have a higher potential to die while Boeing twiddles its thumbs and bars the FAA from running its own, separate investigation.
gpderetta 7y ago
If the audititors get involved yes yes you do that. Your manager (and their manager and so on) won't even have a say. In fact you might still end up doing the investigation as someone familiar with the system, but the auditors will be involved at every step.

jMyles 7y ago

> If a manager says, "There is a bug in this system here" I think that your metaphor does a disservice to this whistleblower and the allegations that he's making. Better is to imagine a manager saying, "I have observed bugs being intentionally left in the codebase in order to cut cost. Senior managers are aware of this and have allowed it to continue." In that scenario, the matter of when to intervene is quite different I think.

simion314 7y ago

It depends, say if your investigation would find bugs that would cause you to be fired and fined then why should we trust you to investigate yourself? I think this is what is happening herewith Boeing, they are trying hard to cover the issues or if they can't hide them to reclassify them as not severe or patch them with some bad hack.

torgian 7y ago

In the meantime, people die, or have the potential to die. There's nothing preventing the FAA from proceeding with its own investigation, except for Boeing saying, "Nah, don't do that, we got our own thing going on here... btw, how's your bank account? Get that 250k yet?"

kmlx 7y ago
people always "have the potential to die" no matter what. i'd wait for the FAA before jumping to any conclusions, as unfashionable as this is in today's "speak first, think never" culture.
- torgian 7y ago
  Then in this case, people have a higher potential to die while Boeing twiddles its thumbs and bars the FAA from running its own, separate investigation.

gpderetta 7y ago

If the audititors get involved yes yes you do that. Your manager (and their manager and so on) won't even have a say. In fact you might still end up doing the investigation as someone familiar with the system, but the auditors will be involved at every step.