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> iPhones, iPads, and Macs Which is just two variants meanwhile Windows 7 support will end in 2020 and is still being sold https://support.microsoft.com/en-u

> iPhones, iPads, and Macs Which is just two variants meanwhile Windows 7 support will end in 2020 and is still being sold https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057281/windows-7-support-will-end-on-january-14-2020 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057281/windows-7-s...

scarface74 7y ago
If you want to be pedantic, macOS and variants. I didn’t say that MS isn’t good at maintaining backwards compatibility. My mom in fact uses my old Mac Mini 1.66Ghz Core Duo introduced in 2006 running Windows 7 and I just retired a Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz laptop introduced in 2009 from running my Plex Server running Windows 10. I’m saying that it hasn’t been a sound business strategy as the rest of the tech industry has moved on. Windows (not Microsoft) has failed in the cloud, the web browser market, and mobile.
- walterstucco666 7y ago
  > Windows (not Microsoft) has failed in the cloud, the web browser market, and mobile. I don't agree on the Cloud, it's the strongest competitor to Amazon, and on the other businesses there is no competition: mobile and browser is Google. Amazon failed as well in the mobile business.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    That’s what I meant. Microsoft hasn’t failed in the cloud - Windows has. As far as mobile being “google”. In terms of revenue, it came out in the Oracle lawsuit that Android has only made Google about $33 billion its entire existence. Less than the amount that Apple makes in two quarters on iPhones. Google also reportedly still pays Apple $8 billion a year to bectge default search engine in Apple devices.
    - walterstucco666 7y ago
      > Microsoft hasn’t failed in the cloud - Windows has. as a server, maybe. as a client not really. > Android has only made Google about $33 billion its entire existence Yeah, they are good at hiding profits and they are an ADV company which dominated the mobile market because it was strategic, they don't need to profit from selling (and manufacturing) the HW, they just need your screen time. There are between 2.5 and 3 billion android devices around the world. And it's almost impossible to own an android devices without Google SW on it. > Less than the amount that Apple makes in two quarters on iPhones. That's not really true, and iPhone revenues are declining every year. In 2018 thy made $33.36 billions, down of 9.2% from the previous year. If Apple loses the mobile market, it's finished. But people would still watch YouTube advs on iPhone replacements.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        Yeah, they are good at hiding profits and they are an ADV company which dominated the mobile market because it was strategic, they don't need to profit from selling (and manufacturing) the HW, they just need your screen time You think Google lied under discovery? Oracle wasn’t just counting their meager hardware sells but they were also counting as sales, Google Play revenue etc. And it's almost impossible to own an android devices without Google SW on it. There is a country that has over 1 billion people running Android with no Google Services. That's not really true, and iPhone revenues are declining every year. And it’s still about the same as MS’s revenue last quarter at 38 billion If Apple loses the mobile market, it's finished. Apple is far more diversified than Google. Almost all of Google’s profits come from advertising, 48% of Apple’s revenue come from the iPhones. The Mac business by itself is about the size of McDonald’s the last time I checked. Estimates for Youtube is that it’s barely profitable if at all.
        walterstucco666 7y ago
        > You think Google lied under discovery? I think the known taxable profits are only a fraction of the real profits. Don't jump to conclusions, just because you wanna prove a point. > There is a country that has over 1 billion people running Android with no Google Services. so you're agreeing with me: it's almost impossible, the alternative is live in China and give up your freedom. Because you can't use Chinese services outside China. There's also that. Anyway Google China it's a thing. And at this point I would prefer China spying on me than Google. Maybe Europe should start banning US services as well... > Apple is far more diversified than Google. Is it? Mac HW is less than 10% of their revenues. What else they produce? Could Apple really survive out of wearables or iPads or iCloud without iPhones? I seriously doubt it. > Estimates for Youtube is that it’s barely profitable if at all. Nobody knows how big YouTube really is Estimates are in the range 16-25 billion dollars / year

scarface74 7y ago

If you want to be pedantic, macOS and variants. I didn’t say that MS isn’t good at maintaining backwards compatibility. My mom in fact uses my old Mac Mini 1.66Ghz Core Duo introduced in 2006 running Windows 7 and I just retired a Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz laptop introduced in 2009 from running my Plex Server running Windows 10. I’m saying that it hasn’t been a sound business strategy as the rest of the tech industry has moved on. Windows (not Microsoft) has failed in the cloud, the web browser market, and mobile.

walterstucco666 7y ago
> Windows (not Microsoft) has failed in the cloud, the web browser market, and mobile. I don't agree on the Cloud, it's the strongest competitor to Amazon, and on the other businesses there is no competition: mobile and browser is Google. Amazon failed as well in the mobile business.
- scarface74 7y ago
  That’s what I meant. Microsoft hasn’t failed in the cloud - Windows has. As far as mobile being “google”. In terms of revenue, it came out in the Oracle lawsuit that Android has only made Google about $33 billion its entire existence. Less than the amount that Apple makes in two quarters on iPhones. Google also reportedly still pays Apple $8 billion a year to bectge default search engine in Apple devices.
  - walterstucco666 7y ago
    > Microsoft hasn’t failed in the cloud - Windows has. as a server, maybe. as a client not really. > Android has only made Google about $33 billion its entire existence Yeah, they are good at hiding profits and they are an ADV company which dominated the mobile market because it was strategic, they don't need to profit from selling (and manufacturing) the HW, they just need your screen time. There are between 2.5 and 3 billion android devices around the world. And it's almost impossible to own an android devices without Google SW on it. > Less than the amount that Apple makes in two quarters on iPhones. That's not really true, and iPhone revenues are declining every year. In 2018 thy made $33.36 billions, down of 9.2% from the previous year. If Apple loses the mobile market, it's finished. But people would still watch YouTube advs on iPhone replacements.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      Yeah, they are good at hiding profits and they are an ADV company which dominated the mobile market because it was strategic, they don't need to profit from selling (and manufacturing) the HW, they just need your screen time You think Google lied under discovery? Oracle wasn’t just counting their meager hardware sells but they were also counting as sales, Google Play revenue etc. And it's almost impossible to own an android devices without Google SW on it. There is a country that has over 1 billion people running Android with no Google Services. That's not really true, and iPhone revenues are declining every year. And it’s still about the same as MS’s revenue last quarter at 38 billion If Apple loses the mobile market, it's finished. Apple is far more diversified than Google. Almost all of Google’s profits come from advertising, 48% of Apple’s revenue come from the iPhones. The Mac business by itself is about the size of McDonald’s the last time I checked. Estimates for Youtube is that it’s barely profitable if at all.
      - walterstucco666 7y ago
        > You think Google lied under discovery? I think the known taxable profits are only a fraction of the real profits. Don't jump to conclusions, just because you wanna prove a point. > There is a country that has over 1 billion people running Android with no Google Services. so you're agreeing with me: it's almost impossible, the alternative is live in China and give up your freedom. Because you can't use Chinese services outside China. There's also that. Anyway Google China it's a thing. And at this point I would prefer China spying on me than Google. Maybe Europe should start banning US services as well... > Apple is far more diversified than Google. Is it? Mac HW is less than 10% of their revenues. What else they produce? Could Apple really survive out of wearables or iPads or iCloud without iPhones? I seriously doubt it. > Estimates for Youtube is that it’s barely profitable if at all. Nobody knows how big YouTube really is Estimates are in the range 16-25 billion dollars / year